I will attempt to keep this as tasteful as possible...

[slowfiveoh]

I realize that many of you are dismissed as jerks with a badge, whose daily duties involve a severe lack of respect for your position. However in many cases I see a lot of officers shoot themselves in the foot with their mouths or actions. While I, on a extremely professional and tactical level, understand the dangers you endure every day, I simply cannot understand the mindframe of some of the CHP officers I have come across.
I realize it is within your "power" to deploy and enforce the laws of the land. I also realize the job comes with a certain level of lack of appreciation. Try being shot at all times day to day in a hot sweltering desert 5000 miles away from anything you love or know. Then perhaps some of you can truly understand just how deep enforcing orders/laws can be. I'm sure most of you are asking,"What the heck is this guys point?". Well. Here it is like it or not.

You as a sworn officer and a SERVANT to the people do not have the authority or right to speak down to a citizen. Nobody wants to hear your "Dont you think "this"" or "I tell you what boy!". For one, it demeans your position and pulls you right out of being professional. For two you are not BETTER than the people you are talking to. In fact your whole devotion to justice, noble as it is, is not going to win you any points in the average citizens mind. For three, it does NOTHING to help diffuse a situation that 9 times out of 10 is just as stressful for the accused as it is for you. When the situation is hostile I understand. Not for someone going even 20 over its not. I'm sure I will hear a "Oh gee somebody doing 20 over is a risk and yadda yadda". Newsflash. For any of you Officers working most of Californias major freeways you know a lot of people cruise at 15 over. Why is Mr 20 over so evil? Thats what I thought.

In an example while stationed in Texas (I know they arent CHP relax), an officer pulled me over while I was speeding. 10 over. I knew it, and I was just gonna give him all my info and let him do his thing. He's just trying to do his job too. I said nothing to him except "No problem buddy" in a polite tone when asked to get my license and insurance out. Yet he persisted in showing an ignorant unprofessional side. I "advised" him of his tone and told him I just wanted him to do his job without me having to hear an earful, his whole demeanor changed. Be professional, and nobody can say anything about you as long as you are doing the right thing. I am very tired of stories (they may be just that too, dont think I have dismissed that thought) about your guys demeanor.

NEXT

Operation Dragnet. Maybe some of you dont agree with this legislative piece of garbage. I dont know. Maybe some of you are in the twisted mindframe that this is an acceptable fix to a streetracing problem. I dont know. What I do know is this is the mostl thinly veiled attempt to earn funds I have ever seen. We are the only state to impose such horrendous trash. I am not an advocate of streetracing. I dont think "Ricers" are cool. In fact I believe modding an import is a waste of time. But guess what. They should still be allowed to do so without reading some piece of C.V.C. garbage that tells them how high they can be from the ground as opposed to where their headlights are in conjunction with whether their spoiler is stock or aftermarket times the amount of stickers they have. Boredom? Idiocy? Oh well I guess I should bark at the state legislature morons for that one. At any rate I hope at least some of you with an odd sense of humor find this funny. For the majority of you I hope you find it informative.

Oh yeah. I have a spotless driving record, am an NMRA member, and have considered becoming a CHP officer myself.

[SB 405]

Oh man,this is going to be a fun thread to watch...(reaching for chair,cold beer and bag of peanuts) Who's up first...Mac,dw or Mentor? I'll just make this one comment. I'm not sure I'd call an Officer "Buddy" in any tone. Not saying it's correct or not, just not my style. Think I'd stick with something like Officer or Sir to help keep things on the up and up.

[Darth Choke]

I realize that many of you are dismissed as jerks with a badge, whose daily duties involve a severe lack of respect for your position. .

Actually, we are regarded by most as one of the most professional, highly sought after law enforcement agency in the country. We are a model to many agencies in report writing, professional demeanor, accident reconstruction, drug recognition, vehicle theft recovery, DUI enforcement, and officer training (academy).

Try being shot at all times day to day in a hot sweltering desert 5000 miles away from anything you love or know. Then perhaps some of you can truly understand just how deep enforcing orders/laws can be.

Ohhhh...now I am seeing and understanding your hidden agenda. Your pissed at some law enforcement agency (maybe CHP - maybe not) because you served the USA overseas and now your back and got a ticket. Right?


You as a sworn officer and a SERVANT to the people do not have the authority or right to speak down to a citizen.

Safety and Service Uhh... yeh, its right on our rear fender. Talking down to citizens....dude, what the heck are you talking about??? Do you want to do a ride-along with one of us to see how we deal with the public??

your whole devotion to justice, noble as it is, is not going to win you any points in the average citizens mind.

We are not on the roads to make friends (or win points).

it does NOTHING to help diffuse a situation that 9 times out of 10 is just as stressful for the accused as it is for you.

Again, what are you talking about. Who's stressed? Me? When I am talking to the violator or prisoner? No I am not.


I'm sure I will hear a "Oh gee somebody doing 20 over is a risk and yadda yadda". Newsflash. For any of you Officers working most of Californias major freeways you know a lot of people cruise at 15 over. Why is Mr 20 over so evil?

Evil? It's not evil. Its illegal. So is 15, 10, and 5 mph over. It is not personal, just sign the ticket and build your speed up on the shoulder before merging into the traffic lane.

Be professional, and nobody can say anything about you as long as you are doing the right thing.

Okay. Thank you.

Operation Dragnet. Maybe some of you dont agree with this legislative piece of garbage. I dont know. Maybe some of you are in the twisted mindframe that this is an acceptable fix to a streetracing problem. I dont know. What I do know is this is the mostl thinly veiled attempt to earn funds I have ever seen. We are the only state to impose such horrendous trash. I am not an advocate of streetracing. I dont think "Ricers" are cool. In fact I believe modding an import is a waste of time. But guess what. They should still be allowed to do so without reading some piece of C.V.C. garbage that tells them how high they can be from the ground as opposed to where their headlights are in conjunction with whether their spoiler is stock or aftermarket times the amount of stickers they have.

If you don't like streetracers then what is your agenda in talking about why you hate the laws surrounding them?
Streetracing is deadly and illegal. Many of the parts used in modification are STOLEN. Almost every aftermarket engine or exhaust used in streetracing is illegal due to the fact they do not have "E.O." numbers. Without these identifying numbers chances are they are not SMOG LEGAL. Their emmissions add extra pollution and would not pass a legitimate smog test.

See you on the road "buddy"...

[Welpe]

Hey SB, trade ya some popcorn for a beer. I think this is going to be a good one. :lol:

[redhead]

I said nothing to him except "No problem buddy" in a polite tone when asked to get my license and insurance out. Yet he persisted in showing an ignorant unprofessional side. What was ignorant (http://www.answers.com/ignorant&r=67) about his "side"? I am confused?!?! :confused: Arrogant (http://www.answers.com/arrogant&r=67) maybe? :confused:

Oh, and I am not a LEO, but I think they have earned a certian amount of respect, and buddy is reserved for my friends, at best. Sir, or mam rolls of my tounge more often then not while dealing with LE. My 2 pence.

[slowfiveoh]

I realize that many of you are dismissed as jerks with a badge, whose daily duties involve a severe lack of respect for your position. .

Actually, we are regarded by most as one of the most professional, highly sought after law enforcement agency in the country. We are a model to many agencies in report writing, professional demeanor, accident reconstruction, drug recognition, vehicle theft recovery, DUI enforcement, and officer training (academy).

By who? Your peers? Who makes these statements and where is the data collected? Hmmm? Thats what I thought. Nowhere did I say this referred to all officers. You answered my statement about public perception with an answer regarding judgement against your peers. Absurd. That is all.


Try being shot at all times day to day in a hot sweltering desert 5000 miles away from anything you love or know. Then perhaps some of you can truly understand just how deep enforcing orders/laws can be.

Ohhhh...now I am seeing and understanding your hidden agenda. Your pissed at some law enforcement agency (maybe CHP - maybe not) because you served the USA overseas and now your back and got a ticket. Right?

Nope. Not everyone has some guilty hidden agenda Mr. Officer. I feel sorry for those who recieve violations from you based on your accusational remarks. You're not God. Get over it. I gave it straight and you didnt like it. So now you're poking and prodding. I even stated when I got my ticket that I'd much prefer to let the officer just do his job. I was speeding. So why would I complain? Once again, get over yourself. If you could read at the bottom what does that say? Oh yeah, it says I have a clean driving record (except for that one speeder, spotless).


You as a sworn officer and a SERVANT to the people do not have the authority or right to speak down to a citizen.

Safety and Service Uhh... yeh, its right on our rear fender. Talking down to citizens....dude, what the heck are you talking about??? Do you want to do a ride-along with one of us to see how we deal with the public??

Once again. Did I say ALL of you were that way? Perhaps I should have narrowed this statement down to the "select few". You're not ALL assholes, and typically you guys are just trying to do the right thing according to the law. I mean. That is your job. So why get uppity about it.

your whole devotion to justice, noble as it is, is not going to win you any points in the average citizens mind.

We are not on the roads to make friends (or win points).

Didnt say you were. But lets go ahead and analyze your statement for a second. You obviously have the attitude that you are not on the road to please anybody or make them feel as if the CHP truly has their best intentions at heart (or at very least one of the "things to do today" listed in your duties) .

it does NOTHING to help diffuse a situation that 9 times out of 10 is just as stressful for the accused as it is for you.

Again, what are you talking about. Who's stressed? Me? When I am talking to the violator or prisoner? No I am not.

In regards to a traffic stop.

I'm sure I will hear a "Oh gee somebody doing 20 over is a risk and yadda yadda". Newsflash. For any of you Officers working most of Californias major freeways you know a lot of people cruise at 15 over. Why is Mr 20 over so evil?

Evil? It's not evil. Its illegal. So is 15, 10, and 5 mph over. It is not personal, just sign the ticket and build your speed up on the shoulder before merging into the traffic lane.

Exactly. So what is your argument with my statements? Regardless of a motorists remarks to you at what point do you ever think its ok to get mouthy back? Based on that I dont want to hear a complaint about a motorist stating FACTUALLY that another car was travelling at a higher rate of speed and you just told them oh well or used the old "Ever catch all the fish when you went fishing?" line. Then again,... all motorists are liars, right? Hidden agenda and all that jazz?

Be professional, and nobody can say anything about you as long as you are doing the right thing.

Okay. Thank you.

You're welcome, have a nice day

Operation Dragnet. Maybe some of you dont agree with this legislative piece of garbage. I dont know. Maybe some of you are in the twisted mindframe that this is an acceptable fix to a streetracing problem. I dont know. What I do know is this is the mostl thinly veiled attempt to earn funds I have ever seen. We are the only state to impose such horrendous trash. I am not an advocate of streetracing. I dont think "Ricers" are cool. In fact I believe modding an import is a waste of time. But guess what. They should still be allowed to do so without reading some piece of C.V.C. garbage that tells them how high they can be from the ground as opposed to where their headlights are in conjunction with whether their spoiler is stock or aftermarket times the amount of stickers they have.

If you don't like streetracers then what is your agenda in talking about why you hate the laws surrounding them?

Because this law will not affect "Streetracing" in general and on top of that is of absolutely NO good to the average auto enthusiast. Streetraces will happen no matter what people drive. UNFORTUNATELY it is something that will continue whether the CHP or I like it or not. I really like the whole crashing the streetracing scene idea. Spook these morons into thinking they're always being watched and hey, guess what? Less street racing fatalities/incidents.

Streetracing is deadly and illegal.

Duh

Many of the parts used in modification are STOLEN.

OH GOD parts thievery! Let me just steal this paxton novi 2000 blower off this car!! YEAH!. Like what? Give me an example guy? Stolen my ass. Thats got to be the most pathetic line of trash I have ever heard. Streetracer = Evil parts thieves.

Almost every aftermarket engine or exhaust used in streetracing is illegal due to the fact they do not have "E.O." numbers. Without these identifying numbers chances are they are not SMOG LEGAL.

NNNNNN wrong. Nice try though. I dont know what you're talking about buddy but EPA/C.A.R.B # = Legal. Go ahead and pull the C.V.C. out on this one and lets have a little chat. Whether you like it or not if I have a CARB # on my exhaust it is legal. Period. End of story. Go ahead and pull me over repetitively. See you and the department in court.

Their emmissions add extra pollution and would not pass a legitimate smog test.

You know. I would love to go head to head with Mr. Sloan in analyzation of his procedures in determining what constitutes an "illegal mod". I will , sincerely put my license on the line. If I lose the debate, I will walk to the nearest DMV and hand it right over. Give me an example of a modification that "pollutes" Mr. Greenpeace? Cold air intake? Cat back exhaust? Guess what? Even without a C.A.R.B. # it STILL will NOT affect overall emissions. Oh but it doesnt have a C.A.R.B. stamp. It must pollute!!!! Rhetorical garbage spit out by legislature bent on appeasing EPA fanatics. The only parts on a vehicle pertinent to emissions are Catalytic convertors, EGR valves, Air Pumps, Air Check Valve, and a ECU flash that has a near perfect A/F ratio. Sorry "buddy" but a cold air intake, header/s, down pipe, larger t/b and all that good stuff will not "pollute". Before you make a comment based on assumption you may want to go into further technical detail involving theory of the internal combustion engine.

See you on the road "buddy"...

Oh im sure you will Mr. Officer (ohh fear!!)

[16528]

Well, I've seen him here for at least five minutes; what's next?

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[slowfiveoh]

I said nothing to him except "No problem buddy" in a polite tone when asked to get my license and insurance out. Yet he persisted in showing an ignorant unprofessional side. What was ignorant (http://www.answers.com/ignorant&r=67) about his "side"? I am confused?!?! :confused: Arrogant (http://www.answers.com/arrogant&r=67) maybe? :confused:

Oh, and I am not a LEO, but I think they have earned a certian amount of respect, and buddy is reserved for my friends, at best. Sir, or mam rolls of my tounge more often then not while dealing with LE. My 2 pence.

No need to refer to them as "Sir or M'am". Just show them respect and do what they ask is all. They aren't your better. Just normal people with an above average job.

In regards to the one that pulled me over he was being extremely rude before i had a chance to say anything. His intial statement was "So hey guy was there some sort of problem? Look you know what I dont even care, just give me your license and registration NOW". For one, there WERE cars going faster, but HEY. Bright red 5.0 with full exhaust. Oh well,..he noticed me. Life sucks. SO I got picked because like several other individuals I was speeding. Random pick, I lose. No argument here.

[redhead]

I said nothing to him except "No problem buddy" in a polite tone when asked to get my license and insurance out. Yet he persisted in showing an ignorant unprofessional side. What was ignorant (http://www.answers.com/ignorant&r=67) about his "side"? I am confused?!?! :confused: Arrogant (http://www.answers.com/arrogant&r=67) maybe? :confused:I guess Arrogant?


No need to refer to them as "Sir or M'am". Just show them respect ......
And, that is the way I show respect.

[slowfiveoh]

I said nothing to him except "No problem buddy" in a polite tone when asked to get my license and insurance out. Yet he persisted in showing an ignorant unprofessional side. What was ignorant (http://www.answers.com/ignorant&r=67) about his "side"? I am confused?!?! :confused: Arrogant (http://www.answers.com/arrogant&r=67) maybe? :confused:I guess Arrogant?


No need to refer to them as "Sir or M'am". Just show them respect ......
And, that is the way I show respect.



Ignorance being that he obviously felt he could talk to me however he wanted and i was supposed to bow down. I was respectful with the guy and before even assessing the situation (not much to assess, I was speeding. But still its not always as simple as "here yago here's your ticket jackass!".)he goes off. Completely unprofessional.

[redhead]

I said nothing to him except "No problem buddy" in a polite tone when asked to get my license and insurance out. Yet he persisted in showing an ignorant unprofessional side. What was ignorant (http://www.answers.com/ignorant&r=67) about his "side"? I am confused?!?! :confused: Arrogant (http://www.answers.com/arrogant&r=67) maybe? :confused:I guess Arrogant?


No need to refer to them as "Sir or M'am". Just show them respect ......
And, that is the way I show respect.



Ignorance being that he obviously felt he could talk to me however he wanted and i was supposed to bow down. Per the links above for Arrogant:
#1 Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
# 2 Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others

Thus, arrogance.

Anyways, as a previous 5.0 owner, a 93 Cobra and a 99 Cobra, I know how you can feel like you are always picked out. Both tickets I had, they (SJPD) heard the car before they saw me. Go figure, with stock exhaust too.

[Mac]

...Who's up first...Mac,dw or Mentor?

I'll take a pass. I do my best to avoid these kind of troll/flame fests - as you can already see, nothing constructive or worthwhile will come out of it (unless you're a Jerry Springer fan). :badgrin:

[slowfiveoh]

I said nothing to him except "No problem buddy" in a polite tone when asked to get my license and insurance out. Yet he persisted in showing an ignorant unprofessional side. What was ignorant (http://www.answers.com/ignorant&r=67) about his "side"? I am confused?!?! :confused: Arrogant (http://www.answers.com/arrogant&r=67) maybe? :confused:I guess Arrogant?


No need to refer to them as "Sir or M'am". Just show them respect ......
And, that is the way I show respect.



Ignorance being that he obviously felt he could talk to me however he wanted and i was supposed to bow down. Per the links above for Arrogant:
#1 Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
# 2 Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others

Thus, arrogance.

Anyways, as a previous 5.0 owner, a 93 Cobra and a 99 Cobra, I know how you can feel like you are always picked out. Both tickets I had, they (SJPD) heard the car before they saw me. Go figure, with stock exhaust too.

Not assessing the situation based on assumed knowledge.

That = http://www.answers.com/ignorant&r=67 definition 3

I get along with most law enforcement representatives, and my "flaming" as one individual put it was for those who are smug, and to fit your definition, arrogant. Having tuned cars for YEARS and ensuring customer satisfaction based on their ability to remain legal (owner gets pissed if it doesnt smog and they have to pay to have stuff ripped off of it) I know that 90% at a MINIMUM of what they are targeting is just wrong period. No ands ifs or buts. So is a statement about an E.O. number not being present on a part (I'm sure he meant EPA/C.A.R.B. # specifically) defining it as polluting. Its just flat out wrong with no evidence to back it up.

[16528]

I was speeding. But still its not always as simple as "here yago here's your ticket jackass!".)he goes off. Completely unprofessional.
If in fact the officer said "here yago here's your ticket jackass! ", that was as you said completely unprofessional and I apoligize for that.. Most all of the citations I have issued over the years have been followed by a "thank you" from the violator.

[slowfiveoh]

I was speeding. But still its not always as simple as "here yago here's your ticket jackass!".)he goes off. Completely unprofessional.
If in fact the officer said "here yago here's your ticket jackass! ", that was as you said completely unprofessional and I apoligize for that.. Most all of the citations I have issued over the years have been followed by a "thank you" from the violator.

Good stuff... but you didnt issue the ticket so its all good. I guess my "flaming" is more aimed towards those in the law enforcement community that aren't capable of seperating emotions from a required professional demeanor. It happens in every job everywhere but when the consequences are time, record, and fiscally based then things are a bit more tedious.

[redhead]

...Who's up first...Mac,dw or Mentor?

I'll take a pass. I do my best to avoid these kind of troll/flame fests - as you can already see, nothing constructive or worthwhile will come out of it (unless you're a Jerry Springer fan). :badgrin: damn..guilty as charged...guess the G/F dumping me tonight put me in that mood.
sorry.

[dw]

I started typing a response, but I'm with Mac. There's just no way to logically address these issues (the only specific given deals with Texas).

But you're right, the Legislature is probably the appropriate body to go after regarding the "piece of C.V.C. garbage" that regulates vehicle equipment.

[Your Mentor]

Unfortunately this doesn't constitute a discussion. You're using this forum to vent some obvious frustrations at things you feel are very wrong with the unwavering belief you're undoubtedly right. However, I'm still unclear as to what point you've been trying to make. You've simply drawn several people into an argument. I think it's clear to everyone that you perceived unprofessional conduct from a peace officer. None of us were there and so are only hearing your side of the story. It's obvious you're not happy with some VC sections. However, when you make blanket statements about us, the public, or yourself, you lead us carefully into a dead-end argument; which is where this has gone. Most of us are out there just trying to do our jobs. Traffic stops are as stressful to us as they are to the public; albeit in different ways. But one thing you can not understand, will never understand, is our perspective. Without going through our training, taking our oath of office, and then spending every day doing what we do, you can only make unqualified blanket statements. Although I went one step further, I agree with dw and Mac. There's nothing in the way of a response we can offer to assuage your grievances. You simply attack the response. But perhaps, and I could be wrong, you're not looking for answers here. Perhaps you're venting and looking for antagonists.

If you're unhappy with a law I can totally respect that. But only a legislature can change laws and you have legislatures representing you in the State Senate and the State Assembly. Our authority is a stewardship, I agree. But our job is to enforce laws as enacted; whether we agree with them or not.

If you want this to be a discussion then perhaps you should give your intended audience a voice in this and be open to considering their responses. We're here to answer questions, share, and learn; not argue.

[Tom]

Come on Dad, stop coming on this board and giving me grief. I finally moved out!

Tom

[Your Mentor]

Kids!!! :confused:

[Dipmo]

I realize that many of you are dismissed as jerks with a badge, whose daily duties involve a severe lack of respect for your position. However in many cases I see a lot of officers shoot themselves in the foot with their mouths or actions. While I, on a extremely professional and tactical level, understand the dangers you endure every day, I simply cannot understand the mindframe of some of the CHP officers I have come across.
I realize it is within your "power" to deploy and enforce the laws of the land. I also realize the job comes with a certain level of lack of appreciation. Try being shot at all times day to day in a hot sweltering desert 5000 miles away from anything you love or know. Then perhaps some of you can truly understand just how deep enforcing orders/laws can be. I'm sure most of you are asking,"What the heck is this guys point?". Well. Here it is like it or not.

You as a sworn officer and a SERVANT to the people do not have the authority or right to speak down to a citizen. Nobody wants to hear your "Dont you think "this"" or "I tell you what boy!". For one, it demeans your position and pulls you right out of being professional. For two you are not BETTER than the people you are talking to. In fact your whole devotion to justice, noble as it is, is not going to win you any points in the average citizens mind. For three, it does NOTHING to help diffuse a situation that 9 times out of 10 is just as stressful for the accused as it is for you. When the situation is hostile I understand. Not for someone going even 20 over its not. I'm sure I will hear a "Oh gee somebody doing 20 over is a risk and yadda yadda". Newsflash. For any of you Officers working most of Californias major freeways you know a lot of people cruise at 15 over. Why is Mr 20 over so evil? Thats what I thought.

In an example while stationed in Texas (I know they arent CHP relax), an officer pulled me over while I was speeding. 10 over. I knew it, and I was just gonna give him all my info and let him do his thing. He's just trying to do his job too. I said nothing to him except "No problem buddy" in a polite tone when asked to get my license and insurance out. Yet he persisted in showing an ignorant unprofessional side. I "advised" him of his tone and told him I just wanted him to do his job without me having to hear an earful, his whole demeanor changed. Be professional, and nobody can say anything about you as long as you are doing the right thing. I am very tired of stories (they may be just that too, dont think I have dismissed that thought) about your guys demeanor.

NEXT

Operation Dragnet. Maybe some of you dont agree with this legislative piece of garbage. I dont know. Maybe some of you are in the twisted mindframe that this is an acceptable fix to a streetracing problem. I dont know. What I do know is this is the mostl thinly veiled attempt to earn funds I have ever seen. We are the only state to impose such horrendous trash. I am not an advocate of streetracing. I dont think "Ricers" are cool. In fact I believe modding an import is a waste of time. But guess what. They should still be allowed to do so without reading some piece of C.V.C. garbage that tells them how high they can be from the ground as opposed to where their headlights are in conjunction with whether their spoiler is stock or aftermarket times the amount of stickers they have. Boredom? Idiocy? Oh well I guess I should bark at the state legislature morons for that one. At any rate I hope at least some of you with an odd sense of humor find this funny. For the majority of you I hope you find it informative.

Oh yeah. I have a spotless driving record, am an NMRA member, and have considered becoming a CHP officer myself.

You say you have even considered joining the CHP yourself? My suggestion would be to memorize the statements you made here and present them to the QAP panel. That should get the ball rolling on legislative change and start the misconduct investigation on the TX DPS officer that was rude to you and wrongly cited you (mention that when you discuss traffic history in the QAP as well). Heck, make all of that your closing statement and you should be well on your way to earning the magic number.

In the meantime, enjoy the attention that you are undoubtedly here to seek out (and here I am enabling you). Here is a tip for more attention though, state on the board that you are a city cop that got a citation from the CHP with your wife and kids were in the car while in Monterey County. That guy is a hit on every board he posts to (three that I have seen so far)

Good luck,
:badgrin:

[HwyChaser]

Fact is, in any profession you can come across someone that can be a bit rude or is having a bad day. Some circumstances do require an officer to be a bit ?direct?. However most of the time you will find the officer just going through the motions, being polite and giving out the citation the same way he/she has done a thousand times before. If I make a stop and someone refers to me as ?buddy? it puts me on the defense a bit. By no means would I start yelling or lecturing but my politeness might drop a little. You haven?t seen both sides but I?m sure you have heard this; an officer is supposed to be polite to everyone he meets but must also be prepared to take their life. What that really means is that the officer must remain on the defense at all times. It?s a bit of a mental conflict and harder to do than you might think.

As for the V.C.s that you don?t care for, most of them are created for good reason. For example, the law states that the chassis shall not be lower than the rim, this is for a purpose. If the chassis is lower than the rim and you have a blowout on the freeway, you might get stuck in lanes with your chassis resting on the pavement. Ive had people tell me they should be able to lower their car as much as they want. This is one example, I could go on but these are things that most people don?t think about.

[slowfiveoh]

Unfortunately this doesn't constitute a discussion. You're using this forum to vent some obvious frustrations at things you feel are very wrong with the unwavering belief you're undoubtedly right.

I dont think there's any argument with whether im right or not. Its easy to play the "perceived right and wrong" role but im dealing with more absolutes. It is absolutely rare for a specific incident to call on rude, unprofessional behavior from a Law Enforcement Officer.

However, I'm still unclear as to what point you've been trying to make. You've simply drawn several people into an argument. I think it's clear to everyone that you perceived unprofessional conduct from a peace officer. None of us were there and so are only hearing your side of the story.

Usually a statement meaning,"peace officer gets benefit of the doubt". Although if you are taking a truly neutral stance, then hey. Good call. I am very easy to get along with, perceived should drop the "per" and grow a "re". I know very well the difference between what IS and what ISNT.

It's obvious you're not happy with some VC sections. However, when you make blanket statements about us, the public, or yourself, you lead us carefully into a dead-end argument; which is where this has gone. Most of us are out there just trying to do our jobs.

I am unhappy with the twisting of VC to conform with whatever an Officer feels is right or wrong to be honest. Unfortunately you have been tasked with enforcing laws that carry specific knowledge in very particular fields to understand why they should be enforced. It is very upsetting to a automotive enthusiast who has spent thousands of dollars on parts with CARB and EPA approva, that he would have rather passed on to buy a superior part, but wanted to stay conformed to the CVC yet still gets pulled over and fined 35 dollars to go to a referee.

As far as just doing your jobs, hell. I completely and totally agree with that. Which is why im always pleasant. If you find yourself offended by "buddy" then you might want to check your fragile ego at the door, cause someone out there somewhere is calling you far worse. How about "Baby Killer" or "Oil Pirate"? Yeah we all get called names. Its what you do in response that determines the outcome. So sink to their level, see where that gets you.

Traffic stops are as stressful to us as they are to the public; albeit in different ways.

As I said before but a particular "other" guy here responded with saying he wasnt "stressed". I know some of you have probably served and factually. I have been in far more stressful situations then worrying about whether someone has a gun in their car. Its all stressful. Dont lie. It just makes ya look bad.

But one thing you can not understand, will never understand, is our perspective. Without going through our training, taking our oath of office, and then spending every day doing what we do, you can only make unqualified blanket statements. Although I went one step further, I agree with dw and Mac. There's nothing in the way of a response we can offer to assuage your grievances. You simply attack the response. But perhaps, and I could be wrong, you're not looking for answers here. Perhaps you're venting and looking for antagonists.

No. No vengeance sought here. Just a citizen who has done a hell of a lot for his country (OIF Initial Invasion March 20th 2003, Extraction of 507th from An- Nasiryah, 32CK's) and doesnt appreciate the "uppity" approach of many law enforcement officials. Believe me I understand far more then you give me credit for. Even with talking to you guys I can sense the "oh this guy is lying" approach that is so typical of the average law enforcement individual. Its truthfully very sad. I have attacked no-ones responses except for Darth Chokes. Which epitomized everything I had talked about. His infuriated or at very least "smug" responses were indicitive of his overall behavior and instant defense of which showed that he is one of the defined. Its funny how 99% of you are pleasant yet one got offended when I said "be professional". Keep an eye on that one.

If you're unhappy with a law I can totally respect that. But only a legislature can change laws and you have legislatures representing you in the State Senate and the State Assembly. Our authority is a stewardship, I agree. But our job is to enforce laws as enacted; whether we agree with them or not.

Which is a sad sad truth and unfortunately at times hard on you guys as well too. You have wives and children to feed, pensions to add to, etc. So believe me I understand. Hence why I made it very clear that I simply just try to let you guys do your job and dispense with the bullshit. No need to get smart with you guys. Usually simply telling an officer what the issue is in a polite manner will get you taken care of. Im not saying dont respond to the idiots and morons. Just be professional. Thats all.

If you want this to be a discussion then perhaps you should give your intended audience a voice in this and be open to considering their responses. We're here to answer questions, share, and learn; not argue.

[b]Is this not what i have done in this particular post?

[slowfiveoh]

Fact is, in any profession you can come across someone that can be a bit rude or is having a bad day. Some circumstances do require an officer to be a bit ?direct?. However most of the time you will find the officer just going through the motions, being polite and giving out the citation the same way he/she has done a thousand times before. If I make a stop and someone refers to me as ?buddy? it puts me on the defense a bit. By no means would I start yelling or lecturing but my politeness might drop a little. You haven?t seen both sides but I?m sure you have heard this; an officer is supposed to be polite to everyone he meets but must also be prepared to take their life. What that really means is that the officer must remain on the defense at all times. It?s a bit of a mental conflict and harder to do than you might think.

Harder than "My ROE says that if these little kids dont stop running towards us holding something I have to drop them, but I mean they're just little kids.". Like I said dont give me such little amounts of credit.

As for the V.C.s that you don?t care for, most of them are created for good reason. For example, the law states that the chassis shall not be lower than the rim, this is for a purpose. If the chassis is lower than the rim and you have a blowout on the freeway, you might get stuck in lanes with your chassis resting on the pavement. Ive had people tell me they should be able to lower their car as much as they want. This is one example, I could go on but these are things that most people don?t think about.

I dont agree with lowering your car to those extremes anyways. That is simply fad based trend garbage that does nothing to optimize vehicle performance and can negatively impact contact patch and camber angle which completely destroys your handling and braking ability. (edit) went back and read and yes. In the event of a blowout that is a definite occurance if ride height is lower then bottom of rim profile.


As far as elaborating on other things please do. I honestly, without seeking conflict would simply like to see what else you have to say regarding why certain codes are enforced. For the Smog thing however. It is based on mostly false pretenses and extremely poor research. As said before though, that is more of a legislative issue. However. Realize that a motorist is not going to be happy when he is pulled over, told he is illegal, and is running nothing but CARB/EPA certified parts. Now has to take 3 hours off of work to go see some other guy who is supposed to be an expert on whats right or not, pay this guy 35 dollars, be told he is ok, and get pulled over another day to do it all over again because another peace officer "thought" something was wrong.

[SB 405]

I've got a question for you slowfive. Since you've now had a handful of people respond to your comments,suggestions and questions where is this thread suppose to go from here? What exactly are you looking for and what do you expect from others because I just keep seeing a dog chasing his tail with no response being what you want to hear. A few people have told you even cops have a bad day yet that's not enough for you. This has all the markings of a guy suffering from little man complex IMO.

[slowfiveoh]

I've got a question for you slowfive. Since you've now had a handful of people respond to your comments,suggestions and questions etc..Where is this thread suppose to go from here? What exactly are you looking for and what do you expect from others? I just keep seeing a dog chasing his tail.

The statement was originally intended to create awareness about officer demeanor in response to typical motorist stops. I have been riding shotgun in some of my friends cars, and while being operated at "normal speeds" or with the flow of traffic I have been character witness to many CHP officers coming off as completely rude and disrespectful. You're not above citizens. That is what this is about. If some LEO's could contain themselves and respond in a professional manner then overall assumption that cops are "out to get you" would drop. Whether you like it or not (and no im not saying we're in charge of you at all) taxpayers do fund your job and it would only benefit you to conduct yourself professionally. I will say in fairness that although I have been witness to these few events that many times I have been stopped by the CHP, or in a vehicle stopped by the CHP and they were pleasant, and although not wavering in their assessment of a violation, were cetainly happy to provide factual representation via the CVC of what a particular individual was stopped for. So if you're not one of the few CHP officers acting like a smug ass, then dont worry about it. If you want to see "fuel" added to the fire and evidence of a typical response by one of the officers I have already cornered look at Darth Chokes response.

[SB 405]

For the record...I'm not in law enforcement of any kind and about the only thing I have in common is I deal with the public every day in my line of work (hotel business) and have had my share of being "ripped a new one" in front of others yet always remembering I have to stay professional,speak in a normal tone and resolve the issue. In my profession when a guest has a problem they almost always want to make sure it turns into a big deal and everyone in the lobby hears them. And if you really want to fly by the seat of your pants tell some drunk your not giving him his car keys back because in your opinion they have had to much to drink...oh then the fur really starts flyin' and you hear every name in the book all awhile hoping you don't end up on the other end of a left hook. But wait, let us get back to slowfive's little problems about being pulled over to often or the vehicle code not fitting his lifestyle.

[slowfiveoh]

For the record...I'm not in law enforcement of any kind and about the only thing I have in common is I deal with the public every day in my line of work (hotel business) and have had my share of being "ripped a new one" in front of others yet always remembering I have to stay professional,speak in a normal tone and resolve the issue. In my profession when a guest has a problem they almost always want to make sure it turns into a big deal and everyone in the lobby hears them. And if you really want to fly by the seat of your pants tell some drunk your not giving him his car keys back because in your opinion they have had to much to drink...oh then the fur really starts flyin' and you hear every name in the book all awhile hoping you don't end up on the other end of a left hook. Now let us get back to slowfive's little problems about being pulled over to often.

I dont. Simple as that. I very rarely get pulled over ,and 90% of my experiences have been in another individuals vehicle while as a passenger. Some deserved it, some certainly did not.
Oh and the Operation Dragnet doesnt fit a LOT of peoples lifestyles. You probably drive a Hybrid and sip tea on the way to work, still have respect for other peoples rights to enjoy the life they choose. Once they attempt to outlaw or crack down on something legit, but its side effects cripple something very legal you do, dont cry about it.

[SB 405]

Okay,you've been heard on the issue and all are aware of your thoughts and feelings. Hybrid?...not enough rumble under my ass for my likin'....Tea?...maybe,after all I do have some English blood in me. I see you live up in Sac town so why don't you and your boys hop in your modified cars and roll over to the Capitol and have your say about vehicle laws and amaze them with your vast knowledge on Mods? Or is this more fun because it's less effort?

[slowfiveoh]

Okay,you've been heard on the issue and all are aware of your thoughts and feelings. Hybrid?...not enough rumble under my ass for my likin'....Tea?...maybe,after all I do have some English blood in me. I see you live up in Sac town so why don't you and your boys hop in your modified cars and roll over to the Capitol and have your say about vehicle laws and toss in that Mods speach to the law makers? Or is this more fun because it's less effort?

Oh believe me the other foot has dropped. All of that is in progress.

[SB 405]

Well then best of luck to you.

[dw]

Slowfiveoh,

From what I gather, you're a straight forward kinda' guy. You have to understand that a lot of people, police and myself included, can take that as being cocky or arrogant. From reading posts following your initial, I don't think your intent was to "stir the shit" as it were. I think you have a valid point about the demeanor of law enforcement officials, but please see our side as well. You come out of nowhere and write a lengthy post firing off several issues at once. I don't think it's unreasonable for some of us to jump on the defensive. And you're right, many cops have a cynical attitude about people in general. With your heightened awareness, maybe you should have articulated your feelings better in your original post, as you have done since.

You voice frustration with the way you and friends have been treated by law enforcement, but cite an example that has nothing to do with this Department. You later said that many times you have had positive experiences with our Officers. I'm not going to give you an opinion regarding the way a fellow officer treated you or a friend. What I will tell you is what I tell everyone. If you feel the officer's behavior was inappropriate, call the office and speak to his or her supervisor. I assure you, we take "trivial" complaints very seriously and investigate each and every one. If an officer is treating the public poorly on a regular basis, the people charged with policing the Department need to be made aware.

I really don't want to get into an argument over the content of the Vehicle Code, ARB, vehicle modifications, or the like. But I do think taking out your frustration on us is uncalled for. Believe me, I don't personally agree with every law on the books, but I enforce them equally. It's our job, just as you had a job overseas. Also realize, especially when dealing with mechanical violations, it goes far beyond the Vehicle Code. The California Code of Regulations and Federal laws come into play often and are not clearly outlined in the Vehicle Code.

Besides, we needed to stir things up around here, anyway.

[slowfiveoh]

Slowfiveoh,

From what I gather, you're a straight forward kinda' guy. You have to understand that a lot of people, police and myself included, can take that as being cocky or arrogant. From reading posts following your initial, I don't think your intent was to "stir the shit" as it were. I think you have a valid point about the demeanor of law enforcement officials, but please see our side as well. You come out of nowhere and write a lengthy post firing off several issues at once. I don't think it's unreasonable for some of us to jump on the defensive. And you're right, many cops have a cynical attitude about people in general. With your heightened awareness, maybe you should have articulated your feelings better in your original post, as you have done since.

You voice frustration with the way you and friends have been treated by law enforcement, but cite an example that has nothing to do with this Department. You later said that many times you have had positive experiences with our Officers. I'm not going to give you an opinion regarding the way a fellow officer treated you or a friend. What I will tell you is what I tell everyone. If you feel the officer's behavior was inappropriate, call the office and speak to his or her supervisor. I assure you, we take "trivial" complaints very seriously and investigate each and every one. If an officer is treating the public poorly on a regular basis, the people charged with policing the Department need to be made aware.

I really don't want to get into an argument over the content of the Vehicle Code, ARB, vehicle modifications, or the like. But I do think taking out your frustration on us is uncalled for. Believe me, I don't personally agree with every law on the books, but I enforce them equally. It's our job, just as you had a job overseas. Also realize, especially when dealing with mechanical violations, it goes far beyond the Vehicle Code. The California Code of Regulations and Federal laws come into play often and are not clearly outlined in the Vehicle Code.

Besides, we needed to stir things up around here, anyway.

Yeah, this place is new. Just giving you a heads up into the garbage you're going to run into. Heh. Just kidding.

Anyways, I suppose I am very straight forward and people are not used to that in a society where people dont say what they mean, and try to get out of EVERYTHING. So perhaps my "abruptness" was startling, however, dont expect less. I dont particularly care (unless im in an enforcement role in which I have to care, then im Mr. Professional) what people think when the reflection rests pretty much on me.

As far as the vehicle mod thing. I know you dont want to get into an argument, so perhaps we can narrow it into discussion. For one, in general Federal Laws apply to turnover of a new car or model. They also apply to things like seatbelts per seat per vehicle, bumper crash ratings at X mph. If people are truly violating THOSE laws, I dont know what to say. Pull em ALL over.

For the California Code of Regulations. Lost me. I admit to never hearing of that. The simple fact of the matter is this.

As far as people pursuing their hobbies it is far to often that the government, be it state OR federal pokes its nose in and plays "daddy" far too often. I sincerely fear for the future of our country because personal opinion seems to be the deciding factor in every state everywhere when it comes to passing of a new law or bill. People say "well you could have voted on it!" but truthfully most bills are passed without even being brought to public attention. For instance, Operation Dragnet came out of nowhere. 5 million in federal funds are you joking? I know you cant officially comment on that and thats fine. It is ridiculous however.
I take my hobby very seriously and have considered joining the circuit full time (NMRA SS/O). However it is painfully obvious that unlike the majority of the states, for my car to be competitive in California, it just wont happen. Especially with Officers patrolling the streets targetting what they "feel" is a modified car. Shoot my car has all C.A.R.B. approved gear on it HOWEVER, it has a lope at idle, is loud at idle (although not loud enough to fail the noise test), has Posi (Auburn diff, FRPP 3.73's), so sometimes it slips a little going around a corner, and rocks from side to side at a light (mostly due to a loose setup and solid motor mounts. Otherwise it would hardly even be noticable.). Even though it PASSES emissions test, I wonder which one of you is going to send me to the Referee. 35 dollars of my hard earned cash, for NOT being a ignorant streetracer. Think about that. That flat out sucks. It has already happened to friends. Some of them have gone back twice. Where does it stop??

Its a two sided battle too. On one hand you have law abiding NHRA/IHRA/NMRA, and so on members trying to get the word out to idiots who feel the need to flog their vehicle in Downtown Sacramento that there is a track off of Excelsior road that will allow them to run for CHEAP without the worries of killing anyone, injuring themselves without immediate medical aid, and one of the best parts for you guys AND the streetracers is you wouldnt have to take their cars, and they wouldnt have to whine and complain about you taking them. Problem solved right? Wrong. Such is society. You have Dingle Dwindleberry who just moved into his new house, knowing it was NEAR a race track, complaining about noise. What happens? Mr Dwindleberry gets his way, and at very least noise restrictions are imposed, limiting the amount of traffic i.e. streetracers capable of getting at least a lot of their urge out at the track. In some cases across the country they CLOSE the tracks because some residential neighborhood popped up and people moved in once again KNOWING that there was a track there. Oh wah its loud. They dont shut down Airports when people live right next to them. Oh but its just a racetrack thats been there and enjoyed for probably 60 years, who cares.

At any rate, I know its kind of moot to say all this to you guys. Im sure the stories heard seem limitless and endless when it comes to being a LEO, however just remember that we're not ALL streetracers and we dont ALL have illegal garbage on our cars.

[SB 405]

slowfive...I'm not asking this to make you come unglued at the seams,but how old are you?

[slowfiveoh]

slowfive...I'm not asking this to make you come unglued at the seams,but how old are you?
He brings age into the equation. I'll tell you how old I am just to "justify" whatever point you are attempting to make, but first you're gonna answer my question. What of anything I have said relates to age in any way shape or form?

Or is this an attempt to justify something in which you do not agree with by assaulting maturity/age?

Please note that I am asking all of this in a calm manner.

[redhead]

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Really, I dont care what your age is, but I do want to thank you, slow5.0, for your service in the military.

[slowfiveoh]

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Really, I dont care what your age is, but I do want to thank you, slow5.0, for your service in the military.











You're very welcome. Live free and have a great life. Or everything any soldier has ever fought for, or died for is in vain.

For those who probably think that was all im looking for, well, its simply not true.

[SB 405]

Really didn't think I'd get an answer but thought I'd give it a shot. I was going to follow it up with something you may have found interesting. As far as "way shape or form" I don't know to may older guys that are cruising around in modified cars getting stopped as often as you and /or your friends by rude Officers so your earlier posts ID you as young in my opinion. Example: Since I really don't recall seeing to many 40 something guys driving Civic's here in Los Angeles with a wing,body kit, after market exhaust and purple neon lights sitting on the shoulder being cited along with your knowledge of Mods,I figure you to be young. And more times than not a younger person will lash out when asked his/her age in a forum with the usual response of "what's that got to do with anything" (not your quote,but close) And if I don't agree with you on something,Dude I'll just flat out tell you and age won't be a factor at all....but hey...who want's pie?

[slowfiveoh]

Really didn't think I'd get an answer but thought I'd give it a shot. I was going to follow it up with something you may have found interesting. As far as "way shape or form" I don't know to may older guys that are cruising around in modified cars getting stopped as much as you and /or your friends.

Ok lets go ahead and clarify this as much as possible.

#1 I myself very rarely get stopped. I am a damn good driver with NO accidents. Not even a tiny fender bender on my record. I have been driving for 10 years. I have also done OTR and once again I have no record. 3 speeders total, 2 are gone, and one is fresh. I only call "bullshit" on one on the basis of avoiding an accident or imminent danger to myself. Officer didnt see it that way, oh well,..life goes on. None of which were 10mph or greater over. No school zone violations. No DUI/DWI. A lot of my family is CalTrans so I "slow for the cone zone". Stop trying to imply something that isnt there. It will only make you look foolish.

#2 My friends. Some are blatant jackasses. I dont even bother bringing them into this conversation and their driving habits arent even worth wasting text. HOWEVER. I have been with certain friends who have been pulled over for their "exhaust being too loud" only to find out after changing not a damn thing, and going to the referee station, that they were WELL under the noise reg. What happens? A few days later they're pulled over again. Maybe a tone the car emits? I dont know, but LEO's are drawn to it.

#3 If you really think age is a factor I suggest you talk to some of the LEO's. I know of plenty of older men who drive like morons and get pulled over. Age is no excuse for ignorance. Dont even go there. Lots of older men drive modified cars too. My grandpa in fact has an 8 second Elky with a Keith Black 540 and a Mooneyham blower. He's 65.

#4 I've seen a few older guys driving some pretty aesthetically modified imports around. Typically business owners trying to show off their work. Lets clarify something else while we're at it.

A.) A tasteful spoiler is fine. one that has 3-4 levels on it and sits on 2 1/2'risers is completely pathetic and useless. Especially on a Civic. However there is no accounting for taste. As long as it doesnt violate the CVC, whatever.

B.) Bodykits. Whatever. Again as long as they dont violate the CVC, then hey. Make your car as retarded looking as you like.

C.) Purple Neon Lights? Something about gay pride day yadda yadda. Seriously though i think personally the whole idea is retarded. Whatever.

D.) Performance Exhaust. As long as it doesnt emit more noise than permitted by state and federal law. Who cares.

Now to close. I dont own a retarded ricemonkey image-mobile. I'm sorry if the "Fast and the Furious" types have you perceiving the word "modified" in the automotive industry to imply gaudy wing, body kit, retarded basketball firing exhaust, and Kanji on the side of the car. This is the image that many true auto enthusiasts have been fighting since the release of that ridiculously stupid movie and the huge fad that followed.

If you couldnt determine by my name I drive a extensively modified 5.0 . That means no bodykit, no big annoying stupid looking wing, no dumb as hell neon lights, but you can bet I have FULL exhaust on the car. Heck its got a lUnati cam, ported and polished/gasket matched 93 Cobra Intake, Chevy intake valve mod, Aluminum driveshaft and a LOT more. If the car sat in one place and it wasnt running however, you would assume it was a factory 5.0 Mustang. Unless I had the Weld Draglites bolted up with DOT legal BFGoodrich GeForce tires on it. Then you might suspect something, but probably not.

My statement about Age is referring to the fact that it is very common for an older individual to use their "age" as a shield for lack of a reasonable defense. It works both ways. If you need to bring in aspects of height, age, weight, etc into an argument and it holds no relevance to the conversation at hand it really is just a poor excuse to try and hide behind.

[SB 405]

Purple neon lights and gay pride??? Guess I need to get of the house more often:rolleyes: And what's up with the Leo reference time after time? Are you sure I'm not talking with Walter Mercado?



http://www.terra.com/horoscopowalter/

[slowfiveoh]

Purple neon lights and gay pride??? Guess I need to get of the house more often:rolleyes: And what's up with the Leo reference time after time? Are you sure I'm not talking with Walter Mercado?



http://www.terra.com/horoscopowalter/

LEO = Law Enforcement Officer.

For telling me what is or what isnt on a forum and assaulting my age you sure aren't "hip" to common phrases and terminology.

[SB 405]

Yep,hip is one thing I'm not...I do seem to remember being hip at one time in my life but it left my lifestyle back in or about 1987 when it just seemed to slip out like the tide. But I am still confused about the gay connection with neon lights on vehicles? Because not only am I not hip,I'm not gay. And please advise just where else does one find the term LEO other than a Police forum being it's such a "common phrase"?(I threw the Walter thing in for shits and giggles) And how many of those law enforcement type forums do you think I hang out in because remember I'm not the guy with an axe to grind about Police Officers being rude or the vehicle code etc... So,how many sites? I'll give you a hint...it's less than two so my hipness with cop lingo begins and ends with "Roger" yet somehow I make it through the day. Now if you don't mind I've got to take my meds and back to my rockin' chair on the porch so I can yell at the neighbor kids to keep those damn bikes off my lawn.

[Nonsequitur]

Just as an asside: a lot of LEOs are car enthusiasts.

I had a '89 GT with a 351 Windsor (Sportsman block bored .30 over) and all of the go fast goodies, that I got rid of back in 1999 and replaced with a brand new 2000 MY Ford Taurus (temporary insanity). I have since helped out with a lot of the work on friends cars, and replaced the Taurus with a 2002 Camaro SS H/C/I, which draws a lot of attention from the San Mateo County jurisdictions; especially Belmont where I live. My wife has even been pulled over because of the car, and let go after the confidentiality returns on our plates; so I know what is going on...

I am not a CHP officer (as you can tell where I work by my avatar), and have never been pulled over by the CHP while driving the car (which is our daily driver, shoot 450+ hp plus 24-26mpg - I love the LS1 :smile: ). I have though been there for the swoop from other agencies (my lingo for speeding up and pulling close to a car I am about to initiate a traffic stop on), who I am sure ran our plates.

Incidentally, I am much more critical when doing mechanical violation stops, which means I do very few, probably because of my experience.

EDIT: BTW I have been lurking on this thread since it started. I must say it has been an outstanding debate on both sides!

[redhead]

My statement about Age is referring to the fact that it is very common for an older individual to use their "age" as a shield for lack of a reasonable defense. It works both ways. If you need to bring in aspects of height, age, weight, etc into an argument and it holds no relevance to the conversation at hand it really is just a poor excuse to try and hide behind.
June 22, 19@@

:smile:
I love the internet.

[slowfiveoh]

Yep,hip is one thing I'm not...I do seem to remember being hip at one time in my life but it left my lifestyle back in or about 1987 when it just seemed to slip out like the tide. But I am still confused about the gay connection with neon lights on vehicles? Because not only am I not hip,I'm not gay.

I'll go ahead and clue you in, as it may be a localized thing. Purple is the national gay pride color. Its well known amongst MANY Sacramentans because we literally have a "lavender district". Eh whatever.

And please advise just where else does one find the term LEO other than a Police forum being it's such a "common phrase"?(I threw the Walter thing in for shits and giggles) And how many of those law enforcement type forums do you think I hang out in because remember I'm not the guy with an axe to grind about Police Officers being rude or the vehicle code etc...

You know. You're the type of ignorant ass who runs his mouth without a reason. I havent seen a credible word come out of your mouth yet. In fact the majority of the officers on this forum now understand im not being a blatant ass, I'm just speaking my mind. Maybe North Korea would suit you better? You know. Communism is great! Screw the 1st amendment. Lets call this as "Sean Penn" said in Team America "A forum where the rivers flowed with chocolate and children dance and play all day with gumdrop smiles!" Thats all good, stay on the porch. You're safe there....Maybe.

So,how many sites? I'll give you a hint...it's less than two so my hipness with cop lingo begins and ends with "Roger" yet somehow I make it through the day. Now if you don't mind I've got to take my meds and back to my rockin' chair on the porch so I can yell at the neighbor kids to keep those damn bikes off my lawn.

Good luck with the bike problem. Try a 12 gauge. Ok you might want to ask some officers about that you cantankerous old fart. Oh I'm sorry. I mean wise old gentleman based on age alone, and no actual valid points pertaining to the argument at all.

[dw]

You're nothing if not easily excitable, slowfiveoh. ;) (I don't mean that in any kind of derogatory way, I'm just a sarcastic person.)

I do want to address the issue of professional reputation because it touches a nerve personally. You mentioned our professional reputation being self promoted and as I read it, undeserved. I have to call you on this. You're right, we do embrace our reputation, but I think we have a lot to back it up. I also believe a lot of us in the Department take it forgranted.

Our professional reputation is not something we thought up one day for PR. Our reputation comes from our training and experience. The way we handle day-to-day activities and interact with the public. It stems from our values as an organization and our collective interest in helping others. As I mentioned in another thread, I used to read the newsgroup ba.motorcycles -- a group of articulate and opinionated motorcycle riders. I think it is fair to say that the group probably has an above average number of contacts with law enforcement (compared to the general driving population). There was a fair amount of discussion regarding the CHP, and the general sentiment was that (paraphrasing), "those guys are okay." People told time and time again of being stopped by Chippies, being treated professionally, and getting what they felt they deserved. Occasionally, someone would pop up and complain about a cite from a Chippie. The general response was, if you got a citation from us, you probably deserved it. Chippies, they played fair and were a good group. Reading those experiences was one of the reasons I wanted to come on the job.

So how about now that I do wear a gun and badge? In my short time on the job, I can't tell you the number of people who have thanked me after giving them a citation. Yes, part of that is a reflect response to ending a contact -- people often say "thank you" at the end of an interaction. But I don't think reflex explains the hundreds of people who have said it to me. Probably 20% of the people I stop. And I know it is not a reflex when they take the time to explain why they're appreciative, or write a letter later. Doesn't happen too often, but not unheard of.

Far more people whom I've taken to jail thank me. Often, these are repeat offenders that have had contact with police throughout their entire life. Hearing things like (again, paraphrased), "you guys are cool, you don't treat me like [insert allied agency] does." Or, "thanks for understanding," "thanks for treating me like a human being." I was totally blown away the first few times violators thanked me for taking them to jail.

Or how about allied agencies that copy our policy (directly or indirectly)? There are plenty of other large law enforcement agencies in the State, and to my knowledge (which is obviously biased) others are not as commonly cited (if at all) as ours. Last time I was at the Academy, there were agencies in Nevada who sent their officers to us for training. I'm sure there were other resources that would have been closer.

Every uniformed member of this Department can share similar examples. We've worked hard throughout the last seventy-six years to earn our reputation and I think it is well deserved.

[SB 405]

Oh my God slowfive you are so easy to get going. I can write one sentance and because of that tight spring your response will be four paragraphs long. And hey, for the record Mister I don't meet "Old Fart" status for at least another 6-7 years. :lol: as I must first complete my term as "Old Fogie" I really don't dislike you,as a matter of fact I think your a riot to play with because your excite level is set at "look at me the wrong way" And I must be honest with you about something... only reason I asked you about your age was because I knew you would blow out an artery.

[slowfiveoh]

You're nothing if not easily excitable, slowfiveoh. ;) (I don't mean that in any kind of derogatory way, I'm just a sarcastic person.)

I do want to address the issue of professional reputation because it touches a nerve personally. You mentioned our professional reputation being self promoted and as I read it, undeserved. I have to call you on this. You're right, we do embrace our reputation, but I think we have a lot to back it up. I also believe a lot of us in the Department take it forgranted.

That right there is what they need to embrace. Thats pretty much all im saying. Being human means having those weak days. Its what you do with that , that makes a shining example.

Our professional reputation is not something we thought up one day for PR. Our reputation comes from our training and experience. The way we handle day-to-day activities and interact with the public. It stems from our values as an organization and our collective interest in helping others.

Undoubtedly.

As I mentioned in another thread, I used to read the newsgroup ba.motorcycles -- a group of articulate and opinionated motorcycle riders. I think it is fair to say that the group probably has an above average number of contacts with law enforcement (compared to the general driving population). There was a fair amount of discussion regarding the CHP, and the general sentiment was that (paraphrasing), "those guys are okay." People told time and time again of being stopped by Chippies, being treated professionally, and getting what they felt they deserved.

I could certainly agree with that. The whole thank you thing. In fact i will specifically say this about 4 out of the 9 CHP representatives I have ever been pulled over by were absolute dicks. Bad Day? Don't know, dont care. His/Her job is to enforce traffic, not run off at the mouth. However there was that 1 speeder I mentioned in a previous post. Total garbage ticket. I was on my CBR600F in the right hand lane on the freeway with some guy who apparently felt 70mph wasnt fast enough for him and was practically shedding the rubber off my rear tire with his bumper. So I'm thinkin,"Hey no problem, I'll just continue on and stay in the right lane for now. If he wants to pass, then thats his deal.". Problem is im kinda boxed in traffic now, with a vehicle directly to my left. For those who ride you know that a safety cushion is a necessity. Sure enough I needed one. Right as I passed under Sunrise on Highway 50 eastbound some punk kid in his Camaro is screaming down the on-ramp. Easilly touching 85-90mph. So I downshift twice, slap the throttle open, drop the clutch. Mr "on my ass" isnt a problem anymore and I found a gap to the left I could squeeze through and settled into a nice cushion in the fast lane. At any rate, my antics, and not the Camaros were observed by a CHP officer who had just pulled over a motorist or something. I really thought little of it until I saw the car merge onto the freeway from the shoulder, hit the lights and come after me. I prayed he was heading after the Camaro, but no such luck. Was I speeding? Yes. Was it warranted? Yes I surely think so. Did the judge see it that way? No. Did the CHP officer want to even hear my very good reason for suddenly accelerating, then letting off to 70 and leaning forward on my tankbag cruising? No.

Officer was nice as hell, just didnt want to hear my story. Whatever. Its not "justice" if you aren't analyzing the situation. Perturbing to say the least. The other two I got, eh. Yeah I was speeding. Case closed.

Occasionally, someone would pop up and complain about a cite from a Chippie. The general response was, if you got a citation from us, you probably deserved it. Chippies, they played fair and were a good group. Reading those experiences was one of the reasons I wanted to come on the job.

So how about now that I do wear a gun and badge? In my short time on the job, I can't tell you the number of people who have thanked me after giving them a citation. Yes, part of that is a reflect response to ending a contact -- people often say "thank you" at the end of an interaction. But I don't think reflex explains the hundreds of people who have said it to me. Probably 20% of the people I stop. And I know it is not a reflex when they take the time to explain why they're appreciative, or write a letter later. Doesn't happen too often, but not unheard of.

Far more people whom I've taken to jail thank me. Often, these are repeat offenders that have had contact with police throughout their entire life. Hearing things like (again, paraphrased), "you guys are cool, you don't treat me like [insert allied agency] does." Or, "thanks for understanding," "thanks for treating me like a human being." I was totally blown away the first few times violators thanked me for taking them to jail.

Or how about allied agencies that copy our policy (directly or indirectly)? There are plenty of other large law enforcement agencies in the State, and to my knowledge (which is obviously biased) others are not as commonly cited (if at all) as ours. Last time I was at the Academy, there were agencies in Nevada who sent their officers to us for training. I'm sure there were other resources that would have been closer.

Every uniformed member of this Department can share similar examples. We've worked hard throughout the last seventy-six years to earn our reputation and I think it is well deserved.

Well put. Its the few that for some reason never got instilled with that kind of pride in what they do that irritate me. You obviously have a very well balanced outlook and I respect that.

[slowfiveoh]

Oh my God slowfive you are so easy to get going. I can write one sentance and because of that tight spring your response will be four paragraphs long. And hey, for the record Mister I don't meet "Old Fart" status for at least another 6-7 years. :lol: as I must first complete my term as "Old Fogie" I really don't dislike you,as a matter of fact I think your a riot to play with because your excite level is set at "look at me the wrong way" And I must be honest with you about something... only reason I asked you about your age was because I knew you would blow out an artery.

Im a proverbial box of firecrackers that should be banned in all states just waiting to be opened. :evil: :biggrin:

In all honesty. I cant think of a single time discussing things with you that I have gotten riled up.

However, dont you think statements from me were certainly aimed at "riling you up"? Picture this. I dont care if you see me as a garden gnome sitting in a wicker chair with gummy bears in one hand and the other one typing. Just know im doing it all without breaking a sweat, or the "Artery" as mentioned above. Think "stone" personality and you wouldnt be far off. I have SOME emotion. Just a teensy weensy little bit. :badgrin:

[SB 405]

Hell of a way to discribe yourself,but okay. Don't you think that first line sounds a little to much like something Charles Manson would say to Heraldo Riviera during a prison interview? I've got an idea...If you interview for the CHP as you said you were thinking about I'm sure at some point they hit you with a question such as "Well,tell us something about yourself...discribe what type of person you are" Then you step up,clear your throat and break off with..."Well Sir...Im a proverbial box of firecrackers that should be banned in all states just waiting to be opened" Ah they otta love that....:lol: :badgrin: :shock: :shock:ops: :biggrin: :sad:

[SB 405]

"Just know im doing it all without breaking a sweat, or the "Artery" as mentioned above. Think "stone" personality and you wouldnt be far off. I have SOME emotion."



No way slowfiveoh my man I ain't buyin it... As a matter of fact I think your soakin'out the pits of your Motley Crue t-shirt with every one of those massive lung deflating responses you break off at the drop of a hat because when people go to the name calling card,most are pissed and that "some" emotion you mention is anger. I Suppose I could have believed you were just playing until you crossed the name calling line which I credit to that powder keg temper. Now you can try and say otherwise but as an old saying goes... "I'm sorry lady,no bananas today"

[slowfiveoh]

"Just know im doing it all without breaking a sweat, or the "Artery" as mentioned above. Think "stone" personality and you wouldnt be far off. I have SOME emotion."



No way slowfiveoh my man I ain't buyin it... As a matter of fact I think your soakin'out the pits of your Motley Crue t-shirt with every one of those massive lung deflating responses you break off at the drop of a hat because when people go to the name calling card,most are pissed and that "some" emotion you mention is anger. I Suppose I could have believed you were just playing until you crossed the name calling line which I credit to that powder keg temper. Now you can try and say otherwise but as an old saying goes... "I'm sorry lady,no bananas today"

You mean just in the same poking, prodding way you tried to bring age into the equation? I could just as easily say,"I thought you were playing until you tried to associate me with a particular age group cause you didnt have a legitimate argument and that upset you to the point of assaulting maturity.". I am however not as ignorant as some people and I could easilly understand that this is the internet, you could have easily been bullshitting me, just the same way I tried to pry into your "age" by associating it with non-pleasant, disrespectful terms. The games that people play.

Motley Crue T-shirt? Hardly. If you must know I'm wearing Dockers and a Izod shirt and dress shoes. Scares me that you would attempt to discern what im wearing. However maybe thats just typical of your nature. Sweating? Eh I sweat anyways. Something to do with my ethnical background. Fuse aint even lit man. Keep trying though. Maybe, just MAYBE you'll find a sensitive topic worth me getting so angry I secrete blood from orifices that shouldnt. Until then, good luck on your "angering slowfiveoh" endeavors.

Hell of a way to discribe yourself,but okay. Don't you think that first line sounds a little to much like something Charles Manson would say to Heraldo Riviera during a prison interview? I've got an idea...If you interview for the CHP as you said you were thinking about I'm sure at some point they hit you with a question such as "Well,tell us something about yourself...discribe what type of person you are" Then you step up,clear your throat and break off with..."Well Sir...Im a proverbial box of firecrackers that should be banned in all states just waiting to be opened" Ah they otta love that....

I'm trying to figure out whether your humor function works. Apparently you dont know how to associate the happy face on the end as a sign of jest. Its a problem im sure you'll work out. :smile:

Yes, I will tell the CHP exactly that. I will in fact inform them that I am factually a Garden gnome, and that I cant let go of the gummy bears in my left hand. I'm sure it'd be either "out of the office" or "into the asylum" after that. Well good golly gee,..lets try it...

[Welpe]

SB405, quit poking the bear. :lol:

[SB 405]

SB405, quit poking the bear. :lol:

Yeah I know ....It's just that every time I leave the door open he can't help but walk in.

[slowfiveoh]

SB405, quit poking the bear. :lol:

Yeah I know ....It's just that every time I leave the door open he can't help but walk in.

Yeah thanks for not sticking your foot out as I walk through the door. :lol:

[Winthorp]

:popcorn:

[HIPCHIP]

I realize that many of you are dismissed as jerks with a badge, whose daily duties involve a severe lack of respect for your position. However in many cases I see a lot of officers shoot themselves in the foot with their mouths or actions. While I, on a extremely professional and tactical level, understand the dangers you endure every day, I simply cannot understand the mindframe of some of the CHP officers I have come across.
I realize it is within your "power" to deploy and enforce the laws of the land. I also realize the job comes with a certain level of lack of appreciation. Try being shot at all times day to day in a hot sweltering desert 5000 miles away from anything you love or know. Then perhaps some of you can truly understand just how deep enforcing orders/laws can be. I'm sure most of you are asking,"What the heck is this guys point?". Well. Here it is like it or not.



You as a sworn officer and a SERVANT to the people do not have the authority or right to speak down to a citizen. Nobody wants to hear your "Dont you think "this"" or "I tell you what boy!". For one, it demeans your position and pulls you right out of being professional. For two you are not BETTER than the people you are talking to. In fact your whole devotion to justice, noble as it is, is not going to win you any points in the average citizens mind. For three, it does NOTHING to help diffuse a situation that 9 times out of 10 is just as stressful for the accused as it is for you. When the situation is hostile I understand. Not for someone going even 20 over its not. I'm sure I will hear a "Oh gee somebody doing 20 over is a risk and yadda yadda". Newsflash. For any of you Officers working most of Californias major freeways you know a lot of people cruise at 15 over. Why is Mr 20 over so evil? Thats what I thought.

In an example while stationed in Texas (I know they arent CHP relax), an officer pulled me over while I was speeding. 10 over. I knew it, and I was just gonna give him all my info and let him do his thing. He's just trying to do his job too. I said nothing to him except "No problem buddy" in a polite tone when asked to get my license and insurance out. Yet he persisted in showing an ignorant unprofessional side. I "advised" him of his tone and told him I just wanted him to do his job without me having to hear an earful, his whole demeanor changed. Be professional, and nobody can say anything about you as long as you are doing the right thing. I am very tired of stories (they may be just that too, dont think I have dismissed that thought) about your guys demeanor.

NEXT

Operation Dragnet. Maybe some of you dont agree with this legislative piece of garbage. I dont know. Maybe some of you are in the twisted mindframe that this is an acceptable fix to a streetracing problem. I dont know. What I do know is this is the mostl thinly veiled attempt to earn funds I have ever seen. We are the only state to impose such horrendous trash. I am not an advocate of streetracing. I dont think "Ricers" are cool. In fact I believe modding an import is a waste of time. But guess what. They should still be allowed to do so without reading some piece of C.V.C. garbage that tells them how high they can be from the ground as opposed to where their headlights are in conjunction with whether their spoiler is stock or aftermarket times the amount of stickers they have. Boredom? Idiocy? Oh well I guess I should bark at the state legislature morons for that one. At any rate I hope at least some of you with an odd sense of humor find this funny. For the majority of you I hope you find it informative.

Oh yeah. I have a spotless driving record, am an NMRA member, and have considered becoming a CHP officer myself.

Your complete lack of maturity is very self evident:doh:

[SB 405]

Man,I didn't remember any of this. Wonder if he ever made it to the academy?

[Ozzy]

Man,I didn't remember any of this. Wonder if he ever made it to the academy?

That would be ironic. Then I would like to see how his views change after a couple years working the road. :lol:

[Lilrecruit21]

Thanks to all who participated...that was better than some movies I've seen.:popcorn::lol: Honestly, I just spent an hour of my precious time reading this thread and just laughing at that guys comments. For what it's worth, I have been stopped by the VA State police, Merced PD and the CHP. The CHP was by far the nicest, and most CONCERNED with why I was speeding. He was very professional, and really did treat me well. It left an impression for sure. This guy fiveoslow, totally clueless and was either making everything up (former military myself...we don't brag about our wartime stories) or severely suffering from PTSD. Anyone else kind of get the old RAMBO first blood feeling, you know, at the end where he is spilling his guts about everything? In any aspect...I am sure DW, and the rest are glad this one is :closed:

[G-Man]

Wow, a three year old thread breathes new life?

[HIPCHIP]

Wow, a three year old thread breathes new life?

Would you expect anything less for the anniversary of such a silly thread?:biggrin:

[SB 405]

Well I know I have mellowed a lot in four years.

[Ozzy]

How about it slowfiveoh, You still out there?:noidea:

[Bradley]

How about it slowfiveoh, You still out there?:noidea:

Last Activity: 09-23-2007 01:40 PM

Doesn't look like it, but that first post gave me a headache. :doh:

[TylerC]

http://www.fallen-legion.eu/news/data/upimages/DoubleFacePalm.jpg and/or :doh:.

Pretty much !

[agill510]

This was a good read....:think: