S&W To Supply CHP With Weapons

[NorCalN00b]

http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_136102230.html

(AP) SPRINGFIELD, Mass. Gun maker Smith & Wesson has landed a lucrative contract to supply the California Highway Patrol with nearly 10,000 hand guns over the next 18 months.

The law enforcement agency has ordered 9,700 of the Springfield company's stainless steel tactical pistols for current and future officers, the company said Monday.

The guns sell for about $850 each, making the order for the Smith & Wesson model 4006TSW weapons worth about $8 million.

The new pistols will be delivered over an 18-month period beginning in June and will replace earlier versions of the model 4006, which the California department officers have carried since 1990, Smith & Wesson said.

"They are an extremely high-profile department," company spokesman Paul Pluff said.

The pistol ordered by the California Highway Patrol is a heavy stainless steel model chambered for .40-caliber Smith & Wesson ammunition. Highway patrol officers often want a durable, long-lasting steel model of pistol instead of the newer plastic-frame versions, Pluff said.

Smith & Wesson announced earlier this month it had landed a deal to sell more than 1,000 plastic-framed 9 mm models to the Cincinnati Police Department.

Shares of Smith & Wesson Holding Corp. stock dropped one cent to close at $6.41 on the American Stock Exchange on Monday. The news was released just minutes before markets closed.

[Flying Pig]

Good grief! My dept is getting the same piece of crap. $850.00...is that with the light? Because the gun isnt worth that!

[Bearbait]

According to the Sac. Bee the Department is paying $683.00 per weapon. http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/crime/story/14256261p-15071307c.html

[Radar]

http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_136102230.html
...The guns sell for about $850 each, making the order for the Smith & Wesson model 4006TSW weapons worth about $8 million...
According to the Sac. Bee the Department is paying $683.00 per weapon.

As is typical with the media, I believe the first story simply threw out a few facts out of context. Do the guns sell for about $850 each? Yes. At that rate, would the total deal be around $8 mil? Math makes my head hurt, but I guess it might. Did the article specifically say we are paying $850 per weapon? Well...no, not really... The same figure I keep hearing over and over is closer to the $683.

Didn't S&W specifically reply to e-mails saying they were discontinuing that particular model?? :confused:

[Royd5150]

Isnt the CHP being sued by glock or sig for not putting this item out to bid? I find it strange that someone would chose to buy an out of production gun. Kinda like the harley deal posted a while back I would think you all would want to test something to make sure your getting the best for the $800, 600 or so they are spending on it.

[cadetspouse]

Smith & Wesson (SWB) Receives Order From California Highway Patrol
05-15-2006 04:01:00 PM

Smith & Wesson (Amex: SWB) announced that it has secured an order from the California Highway Patrol for approximately 9,700 Smith & Wesson Tactical (TSW) pistols. The Model 4006TSW is chambered for .40S&W ammunition and features a durable design engineered to provide law enforcement officers with reliable versatility.

The 4006TSW pistols will be shipped over an 18-month period beginning in June 2006. The order will equip each officer of the California Highway Patrol with a new 4006TSW, to replace early-model Smith & Wesson pistols that have served as the primary duty firearm for the department for 16 years.

http://www.streetinsider.com/news.php?id=870525&st=b

[Royd5150]

The Model 4006TSW is chambered for .40S&W ammunition and features a durable design engineered to provide law enforcement officers with reliable versatility. <--- This means heavy, cumbersome and heavy. :lol:

[Slim]

My SGT said they were leaving the light rail on the weapon, but not giving us a holster that you can use with a light attached. I guess I'll have to buy another triple threat.

[25/31]

My SGT said they were leaving the light rail on the weapon, but not giving us a holster that you can use with a light attached. I guess I'll have to buy another triple threat.

One of the Range guys brought one of the new guns to an area training day a while back. He said he made his current triple threat work ...? We will see.....

[RoadDog4Life]

that s&w model is not current, its is old and not supported by s&w anymore. we have become the dumping ground for s&w. i smell someone on the top is getting a kickback.

[G-Man]

At the Academy, the range masters were saying the TSW frame is more square than the current pistol so we will need new holsters.

[David]

that s&w model is not current, its is old and not supported by s&w anymore. we have become the dumping ground for s&w. i smell someone on the top is getting a kickback. Sorry to dig up an old thread, but that's a bunch of nonsense. :biggrin:shock:ubt:

S&W has been making the 4006(and now 4006TSW) for 15 years. They never stopped making it. If I was 21 and had the money, I could go to Wild Sports in Orangevale and buy a brand new one. I know this because I've been to Wild Sports and they have new ones.

If you still don't believe me, go to S&W's website and look it up. It's still offered.

[NorCalN00b]

that s&w model is not current, its is old and not supported by s&w anymore. we have become the dumping ground for s&w. i smell someone on the top is getting a kickback. Sorry to dig up an old thread, but that's a bunch of nonsense. :biggrin:shock:ubt:

S&W has been making the 4006(and now 4006TSW) for 15 years. They never stopped making it. If I was 21 and had the money, I could go to Wild Sports in Orangevale and buy a brand new one. I know this because I've been to Wild Sports and they have new ones.

If you still don't believe me, go to S&W's website and look it up. It's still offered.
Wrong. S&W discontinued the 4006 already. Go to S&W's website and you won't see the 4006 on the main navigation page. The page is hidden so you need to do alot of clicking in order to get to the page that lists the 4006. Email S&W yourself, I'll bet you $100 Million dollars they'll tell you the 4006 has been out of production.

And please wire the $100 Million dollars to my bank account. ;) :cool:

[David]

Wrong. S&W discontinued the 4006 already. Go to S&W's website and you won't see the 4006 on the main navigation page. The page is hidden so you need to do alot of clicking in order to get to the page that lists the 4006. Email S&W yourself, I'll bet you $100 Million dollars they'll tell you the 4006 has been out of production.

And please wire the $100 Million dollars to my bank account. ;) :cool: :confused:: Umm, I just went to S&W.com, the home page loaded, I selected the 4006TSW from the "Select a Model" menu on the left of the home page and got 2 4006TSWs, one with fixed sights, one with adjustable.

I used the "Select A Caliber" option on the home page, clicked ".40S&W", and the first two guns on the resulting page of guns chambered in the .40S&W cartridge were the 4006TSW with fixed sights and the one with the adjustable. I can do the same for the 4003TSW.

I also have a 2005 S&W catalog that shows the 4006TSW and 4003TSW as being offered.



Where did you get your information and when?(yes, I can email S&W if you insist ;) )

[MasTiempo]

It seems to me there's a misunderstanding between the two of you. NorCal is saying the S&W 4006 is no longer in production. S&W currently has the 4006TSW which is different...from the posts by the officers, different enough that they'll need new holsters. I'm not a gun expert so I can't say any more than that.

[David]

It seems to me there's a misunderstanding between the two of you. NorCal is saying the S&W 4006 is no longer in production. S&W currently has the 4006TSW which is different...from the posts by the officers, different enough that they'll need new holsters. I'm not a gun expert so I can't say any more than that. :shock:ops: Ah, yes, that is true. S&W introduced the 4006 in 1991. The CHP made it their new sidearm in that same year, replacing S&W .38Special/.357Magnum revolvers. The 4006s the CHP has right now were bought between 1991-94, and are the original style, with no rail on the dustcover. The 4006TSW(which they're getting the new batch of 9,000+) is the current 4006 series offering. I guess you could sort of look at it as the "A2".

It's just about the same gun. The most visable differences are that the TSW has the newer style trigger, hammer, ambi thumb safety, and accessory rail for mounting lights/lasers. The accessory rail added to the dustcover is the reason it won't work in the old style holsters.

[NorCalN00b]

The 4006TSW is also out of production. Email S&W yourself to find out.

Look here: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&categoryId=15712&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15708&top_category=15708

It's not listed under Home>Pistols>Metal Frame

Here's S&W's contact page: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&content=12010&sectionId=10504

Email: qa@smith-wesson.com

By Telephone:
1-800-331-0852 (USA)
Mon-Fri 8:00AM-8:00PM Eastern Time

1-413-747-3286 (International)
Mon-Fri 8:00AM-5:00PM Eastern Time


Or you could say the 4006TSW in only in production for the CHP.

[MasTiempo]

NorCal, you could be right in that they only make it for CHP... however, the pistol is still on the site, under LE pistols.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&categoryId=26807&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=26803&top_category=26803

[David]

Hmm, I still haven't heard back from S&W. :neutral: *shrugs*

[bcjack]

4006TSW is there...

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&categoryId=26807&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=26803&top_category=26803

[Your Mentor]

I can confirm that we have not received them in Northern Division yet. And none of us want to die from holding our breath, so we're not doing that.

[chico.medic]

I understand the concerns about the cost of transitioning over to a new weapon, and as great as the 4006 is......well, new anyway..... I don't think I'd trade my Sig for anything. I know a lot of local LEO's that have the P-226, but I have had nothing but great experiences with my 2022, chambered in .40cal. It's Sig's new Polymer frame pistol. Sig has a MSRP of around $549 for the 2022, and If you purchase it in bulk w/ an LE discount It could turn out to be an affordable weapon for any agency.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/chico_medic/DSC02116.jpg

[David]

It's not listed under Home>Pistols>Metal FrameSo what? It's listed under .40S&W for the select caliber menu, and it's also listed on the select a model menu. Why would that be the case if they weren't available. :rolleyes:

Or you could say the 4006TSW in only in production for the CHP. I'm pretty sure that's BS. There are sporting goods stores out there that are selling brand new S&W 4006TSWs. I know this because I've seen it, such as at Wild Sports in Orangevale.


You still have not cited any source or dates for your(seriously bogus sounding) information.

[NorCalN00b]

It's not listed under Home>Pistols>Metal FrameSo what? It's listed under .40S&W for the select caliber menu, and it's also listed on the select a model menu. Why would that be the case if they weren't available. :rolleyes:

Or you could say the 4006TSW in only in production for the CHP. I'm pretty sure that's BS. There are sporting goods stores out there that are selling brand new S&W 4006TSWs. I know this because I've seen it, such as at Wild Sports in Orangevale.


You still have not cited any source or dates for your(seriously bogus sounding) information.
Just because it's listed on S&W's website, doesn't mean it's still in production. Yes, there are sporting good stores and gun shops out there that still carry 4006TSWs because the shops got it before S&W discontinued them. Are you familiar with SIGARMS? SIGARMS discontinued the P228 9mm and all non-railed pistols, except for the DAK series. Even though they're discontinued, doesn't mean you can't get them. You can still find them at gunbroker.com or at gun stores, if you're lucky of course.

If you don't believe me that the 4006TSW and its TSW line-of-pistols are out of production (except for the 3913TSW & 4013TSW) then email S&W yourself. I'll bet you right now they'll say it has been put out of production. Why am I so sure? Because I emailed them myself. Here's the email:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8020/jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjcy7.jpg

If the TSWs are still in production, then why isn't it listed in their catalog? Here's the download link to the catalog:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/other/2006_SW_Handgun.pdf

If the link doesn't work, here's the main page to download the catalog: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&content=13014&sectionId=10504

You're probably going to say I faked the email from S&W. LOLOL.

I'm guessing the 4006TSW is only in production for the CHP and/or law enforcement agencies.

[David]

If you don't believe me that the 4006TSW and its TSW line-of-pistols are out of production (except for the 3913TSW & 4013TSW) then email S&W yourself.Did that days ago. No reply at all, as Genesis would say. :biggrin:shock:ubt:

[5-0]

they were discontinued back in 2004. s&W must have a lot of left overs to retrofit and call the new 4006tsw so they can dump it all on the chp.

[David]

they were discontinued back in 2004. s&W must have a lot of left overs to retrofit and call the new 4006tsw so they can dump it all on the chp. The TSW series of pistols(5906, 4003, 4006, 4013, 4563, 4566, 4513, etc) has been around for several years, much longer than just 04+. It's not a retrofit. :lol: It was started part way through the 3rd generation of S&W autos.(whcih was circa 1990)

[dlg2k6]

CHP's new handguns all must be retrofitted
In two instances, the same key part broke, making guns useless.
By Andrew McIntosh - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PDT Wednesday, March 21, 2007
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A13

The California Highway Patrol is replacing a key metal part on 3,000 new pistols it purchased from Smith & Wesson after the component in two of the new guns broke, rendering them useless.

The sear catch on the Smith & Wesson 4006TSW pistol is being replaced as a precautionary measure in all of the guns delivered to the CHP since last summer under a 9,736-pistol, multiyear contract, CHP spokeswoman Fran Clader confirmed.

The CHP's pistol purchase came under political fire last fall after Senate Majority Leader Gloria Romero, D-Los Angeles, criticized agency purchasing practices that eliminated competitive bidding on the pistols as well as on other major equipment deals.

On Tuesday, Romero called discovery of defective parts in the brand new guns an outrage. "This illustrates and underscores the problems that can occur when a contract is let in the dark of night without any public bidding or scrutiny," she said.

A sear is a key catch in the pistol's firing system that holds the hammer cocked or half-cocked. If it fails, the pistol's firing pin cannot operate and the gun can't shoot, according to CHP spokeswoman Jaime Coffee.

Coffee said the CHP and Smith & Wesson agreed to replace the parts after two recent incidents in which hairline cracks caused the sear to break.
One weapon assigned to a Southern California officer malfunctioned during a monthly practice shoot after a piece of the sear broke off.

The second failure involved a sear that fractured during a weapons training session for a cadet at the CHP Academy in West Sacramento, Coffee said. No one was hurt in either incident.

The 4006TSW is an older model of police pistol that Smith & Wesson made under a special order for the CHP. However, some smaller city and county police forces also use them, including the Lancaster County sheriff's force in Lincoln, Neb.

The CHP pistols are being returned to CHP gunsmiths, who will replace the parts with assistance from Smith & Wesson. The pistols remain under warranty, so the parts are being provided for free, Clader said.

Neither Clader nor Elizabeth A. Sharp, a Smith & Wesson vice president of investor relations, would identify the supplier of the defective sear catch.
In a written statement, Sharp noted that no pistols or parts failed "in the line of duty."

"We have implemented corrective action with our supplier, and we are proactively and pre-emptively replacing the sear on all 3,000 units," her statement said. Clader declined to let a reporter speak to a CHP gunsmith, saying, "We are pleased with Smith & Wesson's response."

Sear failures are not the first problems with the CHP's new weapons.
CHP documents obtained under the Public Records Act show that by October agency gunsmiths had rejected 31 of a first batch of new Smith & Wesson 4006TSW pistols for defects.

Seven of those guns were repaired and returned to service by Oct. 26, the CHP reports show.

Another two dozen guns had to be repaired after failing initial quality control inspections following their removal from shipping crates, according to the reports.

Clader characterized the volume of problematic new guns as low and said that officers like them.

The California Association of Highway Patrolmen did not return calls seeking comment.

Last fall, legislators cited the $5.3 million Smith & Wesson deal in calling for a full state audit into CHP contracting practices.

Two rival pistol makers, SigArms and Glock, said the pistol purchase was riddled with irregularities after Bee reports raised questions about the deals.

In March 2006, the CHP called for bids on new pistols but restricted them to a single Smith & Wesson gun: the 4006TSW.

SigArms complained to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger that the deal violated state contract rules requiring competitive bidding on big state purchases.
A Sacramento Superior Court judge refused to issue a restraining order to halt deliveries and the company dropped its case.

In defending its deal, the CHP argued that its stock of older pistols was so depleted that it didn't have time for complete gun evaluation and competitive bidding.

It also said the 4006TSW, almost identical to its older pistol, would not require officer training.

Evidence subsequently emerged that contradicted those claims: The CHP was selling guns to retiring officers even while it complained about shortages; other states that bought SigArms pistols said they required far less training than the CHP claimed.

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/141412.html

[chico.medic]

Wait, the Bee has something to say about the CHP? :rolleyes:

[HotPursuit]

Now only if SigArms proposed a pistol with a manual safety...

I don't think that elite law enforcement teams and soldiers should be the only ones depending on high-grade sidearms to keep them safe and alive. It's bad to bring a broken gun to a gun fight.

[bts80]

Now only if SigArms proposed a pistol with a manual safety...

I don't think that elite law enforcement teams and soldiers should be the only ones depending on high-grade sidearms to keep them safe and alive. It's bad to bring a broken gun to a gun fight.

Who wants a safety when you have a decocker, and no I’m not being sarcastic.:idea:

[bts80]

Do the CHP carry tasers or does S&W not make them?

[AspiringToBeChp]

I have actually had the chance to fire the 45 model of this gun as well as the 40. Nice guns, kind of weak feeling recoil after shotting a 45 long colt hand cannon though:lol:

[bcjack]

Plain and Simple....GLOCK in .40 S & W.:doh:

[bts80]

Plain and Simple....GLOCK in .40 S & W.:doh:

Nice gun, however, for me plain and simple... the sig p220 .45 with night sights w/rail . Like a instructor once told me "you want to knock the guy down right?"

[bcjack]

Nice gun, however, for me plain and simple... the sig p220 .45 with night sights w/rail . Like a instructor once told me "you want to knock the guy down right?"

The .45 is over-rated IMHO
.40 S & W with Black Talon is the only way to go!!!!

[chico.medic]

Plain and Simple....GLOCK in .40 S & W.:doh:
Nice gun, however, for me plain and simple... the sig p220 .45 with night sights w/rail . Like a instructor once told me "you want to knock the guy down right?"
The .45 is over-rated IMHO
.40 S & W with Black Talon is the only way to go!!!!

:biggrin::cool:SIG PRO .40S&W, Sig-light Night-sites & a SureFire X-200b 5 Wat LED Tac Light loaded w/ CCI Speer GoldDot's!:cool::biggrin:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/chico_medic/mygun.jpg

[bts80]

I love most of Sigs guns the only thing I did not like about the pro was the limitation with aftermarket grips. I don’t care for the finger groves, but I love my hoags that wrap around the sides and back. My next purchase will be the Sig GSR 1911 or the Kimber tactical. And yes both are .45

[bts80]

I should also say that I do own a p226 .40 which is also an awesome gun.

[David]

Nice gun, however, for me plain and simple... the sig p220 .45 with night sights w/rail . Sounds just like this: http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=6&productid=94

:cool:

Hutington Beach PD issues the P220. IIRC, Placer County SD does as well.

[bts80]

[quote=David;28037]Sounds just like this: http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=6&productid=94

:cool:

Mine is all stainless with hoag grips.

[USMC0341]

What brand of holster will be issued with the new pistol?

[AspiringToBeChp]

I have been looking at the Ruger P345 lately and i'm thinking about getting one but I have never fired one nor talked to anyone who has. Anyone have any info regarding the performance on it? Thanks.

[bts80]

I have been looking at the Ruger P345 lately and i'm thinking about getting one but I have never fired one nor talked to anyone who has. Anyone have any info regarding the performance on it? Thanks.

Aspiring, is this your first firearm?

[AspiringToBeChp]

No, I have several other firearms. I have a few ruger revolvers and various long guns. The only auto i own is a taurus .380 so i want to go bigger.

[bcjack]

Glock 22, 23, 27...

http://glockfaq.com/guide.htm

[AspiringToBeChp]

I'm not a big Glock fan at all. I have fired them in the past, they shoot decent but I don't like the way they look or feel. To me they are some of the ugliest guns made. But thats just my opinion. On the other hand i like the fact that you can field strip them in like 5 seconds.

[bts80]

I'm not a big Glock fan at all. I have fired them in the past, they shoot decent but I don't like the way they look or feel. To me they are some of the ugliest guns made. But thats just my opinion. On the other hand i like the fact that you can field strip them in like 5 seconds.

You call Glocks the ugliest gun but want a Ruger. Don't wast any more time just buy a Sig. You will thank me for it. P.S. I can strip mine in 3 seconds.:closed:

[Dodger Fan]

I can strip mine in 3 seconds.

Useful for self defense.

[AspiringToBeChp]

You call Glocks the ugliest gun but want a Ruger. Don't wast any more time just buy a Sig. You will thank me for it. P.S. I can strip mine in 3 seconds.:closed:

yeah im lookin at a sig 1911, Glocks are a little too square for my taste. But hey everyone has their own preferance.

[Onthejob]

Ruger P90 - phenomenal!

[bts80]

Useful for self defense.

A clean weapon is a reliable weapon.

[AspiringToBeChp]

Ruger P90 - phenomenal!

I have heard good things about the P90, as i mentioned above i own a few ruger revolvers a .41,.44,and a .45 long colt. I love those guns a lot but i want to get a semi. I stopped by a local gun shop and looked at the P345 and the P90 along with a few kimber 1911's. I think i have decided on the Kimber Gold Combat Stainless II (http://www.gunshopfinder.com/Kimber/goldcombatstainless2.asp) it feels great in my hand and (from what i have researched) shoots really good. Thanks for the input

[bcjack]

I'm not a big Glock fan at all. I have fired them in the past, they shoot decent but I don't like the way they look or feel. To me they are some of the ugliest guns made. But thats just my opinion. On the other hand i like the fact that you can field strip them in like 5 seconds.

Does it matter if it is UGLY, PRETTY, or in between??? As long as if feels good and shoots good and stops the bad guy...Who gives a sh*t what it looks like?:noidea:

Unless you're a Motor?:doh:

[AspiringToBeChp]

Does it matter if it is UGLY, PRETTY, or in between??? As long as if feels good and shoots good and stops the bad guy...Who gives a sh*t what it looks like?:noidea:

Unless you're a Motor?:doh:

I'm not looking for a gun to "stop the bad guy" if i need to stop someone thats breaking into my house ill grab the 12 guage. I'm looking for a gun that i like all around, looks, accuracy and feel. Not that i'm comparing Glock to this analogy but I can say all day that i enjoy driving around in some ratty old pinto with rust eating away at it's panels, but as long as it runs good and gets me where i need to go who cares what it looks like. I would much rather be in something that i like, thats all im saying.:closed:

[bts80]

Does it matter if it is UGLY, PRETTY, or in between??? As long as if feels good and shoots good and stops the bad guy...Who gives a sh*t what it looks like?:noidea:

Unless you're a Motor?:doh:

One thing I can say for any Glock that I can’t say for a Sig is “Sand, what sand?” Glocks hold their own when it comes to reliability and not jamming up when a grain of sand gets inside. Both of my Sigs have jammed up due to sand, and I can tell you from experience that you do not want to see what they do to your weapon to fix it. It hearts my soul.:hitwall:

[Tom]

Does it matter if it is UGLY, PRETTY, or in between??? As long as if feels good and shoots good and stops the bad guy...Who gives a sh*t what it looks like?:noidea:

Unless you're a Motor?:doh:

Hey, don't get me started on firemen...like I'd rather have a sister in a ...........than a brother in the fire department....:badgrin:

[23109]

Hey, don't get me started on firemen...like I'd rather have a sister in a ...........than a brother in the fire department....:badgrin:

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[Tom]

Yup...if the public really knew that they get paid to sit in barcaloungers and watch tv and, sometimes, work out................

[SB 405]

The key to making money in the Fire Department.....OVERTIME.

[bcjack]

Yup...if the public really knew that they get paid to sit in barcaloungers and watch tv and, sometimes, work out................

I will tell you just what I tell all Officer friends of mine when they say that...

"WHEN YOU FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION FOR A JOB...YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO SPELL OUT O-F-F-I-C-E-R INSTEAD OF F-I-R-E-F-I-G-H-T-E-R"

You too could have spelled out F-I-R-E-F-I-G-H-T-E-R...And you too could have made excellent money and benefits, got paid to sit in "old blue" (aka the barcalounger), got paid to work out, got paid to go into burning buildings when all the smart people were leaving, got paid to spend weeks away from home at fire camp, got paid to work IN environments full of chemicals that most of us can't even spell, but will kill your a** in an instant, do CPR on sh*tbags that have Tuberculosis, HIV, Hepatitis, and all of the other stuff we do on a daily basis.

I have worked BOTH jobs, and would rather go into the stuff I listed above than face the sh*tbags you all face on a daily basis, those who don't care if they shoot or stab you not because of who you are, but only because of the uniform you wear.

I hope you all take my shot a Motors in jest as I intended it, for in the end, we are all in this mess together...trying to make bad situations better and trying to do what is right for the people that pay our rather good salaries and benefits... :smile:

P. S. Glocks are not ugly...

[Tom]

I will tell you just what I tell all Officer friends of mine when they say that...

"WHEN YOU FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION FOR A JOB...YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO SPELL OUT O-F-F-I-C-E-R INSTEAD OF F-I-R-E-F-I-G-H-T-E-R"

You too could have spelled out F-I-R-E-F-I-G-H-T-E-R...And you too could have made excellent money and benefits, got paid to sit in "old blue" (aka the barcalounger), got paid to work out, got paid to go into burning buildings when all the smart people were leaving, got paid to spend weeks away from home at fire camp, got paid to work IN environments full of chemicals that most of us can't even spell, but will kill your a** in an instant, do CPR on sh*tbags that have Tuberculosis, HIV, Hepatitis, and all of the other stuff we do on a daily basis.

I have worked BOTH jobs, and would rather go into the stuff I listed above than face the sh*tbags you all face on a daily basis, those who don't care if they shoot or stab you not because of who you are, but only because of the uniform you wear.

I hope you all take my shot a Motors in jest as I intended it, for in the end, we are all in this mess together...trying to make bad situations better and trying to do what is right for the people that pay our rather good salaries and benefits... :smile:

P. S. Glocks are not ugly...

Someone needs a cookie or I struck a nerve. If you're gonna take shots at motors I'll take shots at sleeping firemen. All in jest, of course. I'll make you a deal...you dodge sideview mirrors for 10 plus years on a busy freeway (on patrol) you feel free to take shot at ALL motors. Guess I didn't think that TRAFFIC couldn't kill me as easily as a burning building! LOL!

[IrishJoe]

I will tell you just what I tell all Officer friends of mine when they say that...

"WHEN YOU FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION FOR A JOB...YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO SPELL OUT O-F-F-I-C-E-R INSTEAD OF F-I-R-E-F-I-G-H-T-E-R"

You too could have spelled out F-I-R-E-F-I-G-H-T-E-R...And you too could have made excellent money and benefits, got paid to sit in "old blue" (aka the barcalounger), got paid to work out, got paid to go into burning buildings when all the smart people were leaving, got paid to spend weeks away from home at fire camp, got paid to work IN environments full of chemicals that most of us can't even spell, but will kill your a** in an instant, do CPR on sh*tbags that have Tuberculosis, HIV, Hepatitis, and all of the other stuff we do on a daily basis.

I have worked BOTH jobs, and would rather go into the stuff I listed above than face the sh*tbags you all face on a daily basis, those who don't care if they shoot or stab you not because of who you are, but only because of the uniform you wear.

I hope you all take my shot a Motors in jest as I intended it, for in the end, we are all in this mess together...trying to make bad situations better and trying to do what is right for the people that pay our rather good salaries and benefits... :smile:

P. S. Glocks are not ugly...


Oh good grief, lighten up. I'd be willing to bet you'd be hard pressed to find any officer who'd willingly give up his/her badge in exchange for a hose, despite any perceived rivalry.

PS Glocks are ugly....:doubt:

[bcjack]

Tom:
After 34 years of this job, there are no nerves left...:biggrin:

[CHPUSMC]

P. S. Glocks are not ugly...

I’d also like to add that my wife is not ugly either but Glock’s are ugly. We do share something in common thou…we both have our own opinions on things! :shock: :biggrin: :lol:

p.s. I loved your p.s.

[Tom]

Tom:
After 34 years of this job, there are no nerves left...:biggrin:

I hear ya....you know I got nothing but love for you guys!

[AspiringToBeChp]

Sorry to revive an old thread but i have finally decided on and purchased a new handgun. I went with Bts80's advice and went with a sig. I got a P220 Equinox and i cannot be more happy with my decision. This gun is everything that i have heard about SIG and more. Just wanted to say thanks to Bts80 for the advice.

[David]

The SIG P220 is a great gun. :cool:

[Yuri]

Sorry to revive an old thread but i have finally decided on and purchased a new handgun. I went with Bts80's advice and went with a sig. I got a P220 Equinox and i cannot be more happy with my decision. This gun is everything that i have heard about SIG and more. Just wanted to say thanks to Bts80 for the advice.

Thanks for bringing us back on point. :wink: (How did the CHP/firefighter debate flare up?)

I could'nt agree more on the high quality of the Sigarms weapons, however if you really want to carry one on duty, this is the wrong agency. Maybe you should consider a career with Dept. of Homeland Security. They just signed a huge contract with Sigarms for the P229 in .40 cal.

[bcjack]

Sigs are a high quality firearm. You just have to go with whatever floats your boat...

Glocks are still NOT ugly.:biggrin: