A hell of a day..

[BT]

I thought I'd share how crazy of a day today's been for me. Recently i had posted about CA budget woes, well today I get called into the big bosses office and find out I am the latest casualty of the California budget crisis. I am to be laid off in July (hurrah for public sector jobs).
However.. I received the academy invite the same day! It's certainly been a rollercoaster of emotions, but i feel i can safely say that the day ended on an overwhelmingly positive note! My heart goes out though to the other employees who also received notice and will be finding themselves out looking for work shortly. I sincerely hope that our goverment here can straighten this economy out!

[CHPwhyf]

I thought I'd share how crazy of a day today's been for me. Recently i had posted about CA budget woes, well today I get called into the big bosses office and find out I am the latest casualty of the California budget crisis. I am to be laid off in July (hurrah for public sector jobs).
However.. I received the academy invite the same day! It's certainly been a rollercoaster of emotions, but i feel i can safely say that the day ended on an overwhelmingly positive note! My heart goes out though to the other employees who also received notice and will be finding themselves out looking for work shortly. I sincerely hope that our goverment here can straighten this economy out!

CONGRATULATIONS!!

[AyatollahGondola]

Happy to hear about your invitation, and for your fortunate timing as far as offsetting the bad news.


I sincerely hope that our goverment here can straighten this economy out!

Government lives off the economy like a tick lives off dogs blood. Ticks don't straighten out a sick dog.
I'm afraid it's up to us.

[rufio11]

Well I know that the CHP is union, but the unions are one of the reasons California is going down the crapper. Unless they are willing to negotiate pay and benefits then I don't see how things will get back on track. That and this government seems to believe that everyone is entitled to some sort of program, programs that California can no longer afford. The only way out is less government!

Anyone else agree?

[AyatollahGondola]

There's nothing wrong with a union per se; They're quite useful for both sides actually. The problem we have in Caifornia is that there doesn't seem to have been enough restraint in bargaining with them at many levels. You're probably right about having too many programs. So many places for money to leak out. California was hemorrhaging money for too long.

[FastNinja76]

Agreed. Unfortunately, we live in the "something for nothing" generation, a generation of entitlement, where EVERYTHING is a right, not to be earned but to be given. California is a smaller scale representation of what is going wrong with the entire country. We have a huge entitlement expendeture being paid for by tax payers (with their approval), but is unsustainable due to the masses benefiting, but cannot or will not contribute. So the government just keep writing checks we cannot cash, and the public sucks it up. And some wonder why we're broke...

[FastNinja76]

Sorry to help with the hi-jack of this thread! BT, congratulations!!

[Jon]

Congrats BT!

[Fire1]

Well I know that the CHP is union, but the unions are one of the reasons California is going down the crapper. Unless they are willing to negotiate pay and benefits then I don't see how things will get back on track.

Anyone else agree?

NOPE. For someone who interested in becoming part of the CHP, I find you attitude toward the association (or union you you called it even though it is not one) disturbing. Now i may have read you wrong, but unions in general have nothing to do with the problems California is having. The reason the CHP is doing as well as it is stems from years of hard work getting our benefits to where they are now. We are one of the only associations to have a contract right now. Why? Because we planned ahead. We did not sit around and wait for the legislature to just hand us money. We planned for the future and now are really seeing the benefits of the it. There are many other bottomless hole the government is throwing money into that have nothing to do with us or other agencies.

[Mac]

Well I know that the CHP is union, but the unions are one of the reasons California is going down the crapper....
Not only do I not agree, I couldn't disagree more strongly. Absolutely ridiculous postulation.

[BT]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/1roadkill/derailed.jpg

Damnit.. there goes my thread.. Derailed due to politics!

[G-Man]

Well I know that the CHP is union, but the unions are one of the reasons California is going down the crapper. Unless they are willing to negotiate pay and benefits then I don't see how things will get back on track. That and this government seems to believe that everyone is entitled to some sort of program, programs that California can no longer afford. The only way out is less government!

Anyone else agree?

That's funny, I always thought the problem is all of these Boards that CA has that meet once or twice a year yet all the members make 300K+.... Foolish me, I should have known we were to blame. :confused:

[FastNinja76]

I can understand why someone might think the fiscal disaster in Ca is because of the labor unions. Because of their part in the fall of some of the corporations, they have gotten a bad rap.

I'll say it again: Government is the 800lb gorilla.

[snowdog]

Well I know that the CHP is union, but the unions are one of the reasons California is going down the crapper. Unless they are willing to negotiate pay and benefits then I don't see how things will get back on track. That and this government seems to believe that everyone is entitled to some sort of program, programs that California can no longer afford. The only way out is less government!

Anyone else agree?
I wonder if yours and FastNinja's opinion will change IF you ever get the chance to work a majority of weekends, spend the holidays away from your family (unless your one of those who will whine to the Sgt. about how you didn't get any major holidays off the first year on the job), comfort some family member while their loved one(s) lay void of life in the car, get dirty with some idiot who doesn't want to go to jail, spend your days off visiting the chiropractor because you threw out your back wrestling with the idiot or jumping out of the way of the idiot who almost ran you over, or are involved in a critical incident resulting in your decision making skills being questioned by your superiors, the media and the general public. I seriously doubt you will still have these feelings after you have attended the first, second, third, fourth, fifth or sixth funeral of a close friend/fellow Officer. If your feelings haven't changed by then, GO AWAY NOW!! :mad:
IF you get the privilege to attend the Academy some time in the future please make your opinion known to the Association members when they visit your class so they know not to waste their time seeking your membership. Keep your $36 every month. But don't go crying to your area rep when some supervisor is questioning you behind closed doors with a recorder going.
We are not perfect and we might have to give some back soon but we have earned everything we receive thanks to those who paved the road for us.
Anyone else agree?

[Yzeman]

Well I know that the CHP is union, but the unions are one of the reasons California is going down the crapper. Unless they are willing to negotiate pay and benefits then I don't see how things will get back on track. That and this government seems to believe that everyone is entitled to some sort of program, programs that California can no longer afford. The only way out is less government!

Anyone else agree?
My answer to your question is a resounding NO!

My hope is you posted this amazing piece of misinformation to stimulate discussion. If you truly feel this way, I strongly suggest you research Labor history especially as it relates to public employees. At some point in this research, you will stumble upon collective bargaining and a gentleman by the name of Ralph C. Dills. Pay very close attention when you do, because you may begin to understand how the ‘Pay and Benefits’ you refer to were established. You suggest unless the ‘Unions’ are willing to ‘negotiate’ pay and benefits, the State will remain in the ‘Crapper’. This statement alone displays your lack of understanding of Unions and collective bargaining. I would hope you understand that pay and benefits for ALL represented state employees IS negotiated, and has been since the passage of the Ralph C Dills Act. What concerns me is the fact that by definition, the act of BARGAINING requires at least TWO parties (the Union AND the State), and yet you blame the Union? When you refer to ‘pay and benefits’, are you familiar with what, if anything, was negotiated away to receive them? (the answer there is simple…NO, we don’t) During the research, you may also realize the difference between a Union and an Association (even though you ‘Know’ the CHP is ‘Union’…you are incorrect).

[FastNinja76]

I wonder if yours and FastNinja's opinion will change IF you ever get the chance to work a majority of weekends, spend the holidays away from your family (unless your one of those who will whine to the Sgt. about how you didn't get any major holidays off the first year on the job), comfort some family member while their loved one(s) lay void of life in the car, get dirty with some idiot who doesn't want to go to jail, spend your days off visiting the chiropractor because you threw out your back wrestling with the idiot or jumping out of the way of the idiot who almost ran you over, or are involved in a critical incident resulting in your decision making skills being questioned by your superiors, the media and the general public. I seriously doubt you will still have these feelings after you have attended the first, second, third, fourth, fifth or sixth funeral of a close friend/fellow Officer. If your feelings haven't changed by then, GO AWAY NOW!! :mad:
IF you get the privilege to attend the Academy some time in the future please make your opinion known to the Association members when they visit your class so they know not to waste their time seeking your membership. Keep your $36 every month. But don't go crying to your area rep when some supervisor is questioning you behind closed doors with a recorder going.
We are not perfect and we might have to give some back soon but we have earned everything we receive thanks to those who paved the road for us.
Anyone else agree?


Well, with all due respect, I dont think you know what I was talking about. My gripe isn't with the unions at all, yet you seam to have competely missed that point.

I appreciate what it is you've done for your community, and I intend on joining your ranks. But perhaps before you pronounce judgement you should be sure you've got it right.

[snowdog]

Well I know that the CHP is union, but the unions are one of the reasons California is going down the crapper. Unless they are willing to negotiate pay and benefits then I don't see how things will get back on track. That and this government seems to believe that everyone is entitled to some sort of program, programs that California can no longer afford. The only way out is less government!
Anyone else agree?

Agreed. Unfortunately, we live in the "something for nothing" generation, a generation of entitlement, where EVERYTHING is a right, not to be earned but to be given. California is a smaller scale representation of what is going wrong with the entire country. We have a huge entitlement expendeture being paid for by tax payers (with their approval), but is unsustainable due to the masses benefiting, but cannot or will not contribute. So the government just keep writing checks we cannot cash, and the public sucks it up. And some wonder why we're broke...

The way I read it, I got it right. If you failed to clearly articulate your opinion then you should reconsider the word(s) you choose. We have earned everything we receive. We don't receive it because we believe we are entitled to it. The benefits offers were spelled out during negotiations and were agreed upon before we voted on them. There were no threats of strikes, work slow down or blue flu if we didn't receive what was presented.
Perhaps in 25 years. hopefully sooner, you'll be explaining to some kid why he/she is receiving the same benefits as the old guy. Hopefully you won't be explaining why the kid is on a different tier when it comes to their benefits/retirement.

[Mom]

Anyone else agree?You said it very well, SnowDog. I don't think the posters truly understand.

[CitizenKane]

Not only do I not agree, I couldn't disagree more strongly. Absolutely ridiculous postulation.

Don't they make a salve for that?

[cg+fd2chp]

Glad everything worked out for you

See you in August buddy




:cool:

[FastNinja76]

Perhaps some context might help...

The way I read it, I got it right. If you failed to clearly articulate your opinion then you should reconsider the word(s) you choose. We have earned everything we receive. We don't receive it because we believe we are entitled to it. The benefits offers were spelled out during negotiations and were agreed upon before we voted on them. There were no threats of strikes, work slow down or blue flu if we didn't receive what was presented.
Perhaps in 25 years. hopefully sooner, you'll be explaining to some kid why he/she is receiving the same benefits as the old guy. Hopefully you won't be explaining why the kid is on a different tier when it comes to their benefits/retirement.

This was my post:

I can understand why someone might think the fiscal disaster in Ca is because of the labor unions. Because of their part in the fall of some of the corporations, they have gotten a bad rap.

I'll say it again: Government is the 800lb gorilla.

[playin in traffic]

[QUOTE=FastNinja76;79695]Agreed.

I think that one word summed up your agreement with Rufio, unless I misunderstood the meaning of agreed.

[FastNinja76]

[QUOTE=FastNinja76;79695]Agreed.

I think that one word summed up your agreement with Rufio, unless I misunderstood the meaning of agreed.


Wow. This is the second example of taking one word and disregarding an entire paragraph of explenation. Just goes to show: You will believe what you choose to believe. No better illustration of this point could prove a better example of the human condition than this...

I stand in awe...

[rufio11]

Wow, so I have a problem with Unions, I never said I had a problem with the CHP and what they fought for in respects to benefits! :mad: Unions, just like the entitlement programs, are like a tick on a dog, the more ticks the sicker the dog gets. So with all the Unions in California sucking it dry, how much longer can California stay alive?:doh: Unions will be the cause of their own undoing! Unions were beneficial back in the day but they have lost a lot of their usefulness. I don’t need to do research to know that Unions have become corrupt and lost what they once stood for. Again, I do not have a problem with the CHP's Union. LEO's deserve all the benefits they have and much more! Flame me if you must.

[jflip2002]

To keep it on track, congratulations with the invite. We'll all be excited when/if we get that invite, but I am sure the low feeling of potentially losing your jobs makes the relief and gratitude all that much more elevated. Congrats again.

[AyatollahGondola]

Wow, so I have a problem with Unions, I never said I had a problem with the CHP and what they fought for in respects to benefits! :mad: Unions, just like the entitlement programs, are like a tick on a dog, the more ticks the sicker the dog gets. So with all the Unions in California sucking it dry, how much longer can California stay alive?:doh: Unions will be the cause of their own undoing! Unions were beneficial back in the day but they have lost a lot of their usefulness. I don’t need to do research to know that Unions have become corrupt and lost what they once stood for. Again, I do not have a problem with the CHP's Union. LEO's deserve all the benefits they have and much more! Flame me if you must.

I think your contradictions are the source of discontent here. On one hand you reject unions altogether, and the other you leave an open to the CHP union. While this attitude is endemic to politicians, future CHP aspirants should at least be decisive and consistent.
Sure there are corrupt union officials out there, and there are many who would follow any carrot they dangle, this does not taint the usefulness of unions altogether anymore than a corrupt politician or many of them taints the constitutional process. Granted we have many greedy and needy within the ranks of the unions right now. Not going to help to poison the patient in this case I think.

[snowdog]

Well I know that the CHP is union, but the unions are one of the reasons California is going down the crapper.
Anyone else agree?

Agreed.

There are several important points to this hijacked thread.
Don't be a hypocrite and bash Associations (Unions) if you intend to become a part of an organization that STRONGLY supports their Association.
Don't ruffle the feathers of those who have lived the life you want. And if you do ruffle our feathers, don't expect us to just sit back and let some kid tell us how it should be. We respect the history of the CHP. We are the history of the CHP.
Probably most important for FastNinja is understand the importance of the words you choose. All it takes is one simple word to put you on the defense. This is nothing here in a forum. Hopefully some day your words will be dissected by some attorney who only needs to create a small amount of doubt in one jurors mind to get an acquittal.
Good Luck Gentlemen.

[FastNinja76]

There are several important points to this hijacked thread.
Don't be a hypocrite and bash Associations (Unions) if you intend to become a part of an organization that STRONGLY supports their Association.
Don't ruffle the feathers of those who have lived the life you want. And if you do ruffle our feathers, don't expect us to just sit back and let some kid tell us how it should be. We respect the history of the CHP. We are the history of the CHP.
Probably most important for FastNinja is understand the importance of the words you choose. All it takes is one simple word to put you on the defense. This is nothing here in a forum. Hopefully some day your words will be dissected by some attorney who only needs to create a small amount of doubt in one jurors mind to get an acquittal.
Good Luck Gentlemen.




Well said SnowDog. I admit my choice of words betrayed my meaning. Point taken on the emphasis as it applies to my future.

[CHPwhyf]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/1roadkill/derailed.jpg

Damnit.. there goes my thread.. Derailed due to politics!

One of the things I love about the CHP is the star and all it means and stands for. The points of the star represent the qualities that each member of the Department must possess. I'm new here but can you please tell me which point of the star your cursing comes under? I understand your point, but really?

[G-Man]

One of the things I love about the CHP is the star and all it means and stands for. The points of the star represent the qualities that each member of the Department must possess. I'm new here but can you please tell me which point of the star your cursing comes under? I understand your point, but really?

I think it falls under knowledge... Knowledge of when and when not to say certain things.:biggrin: Of course that could be judgment too, now that I think about it.

[CAHPDist2X]

I had a buzzing in my ears and a burning in my backside and thought I'd check out this thread.
Congrats to BT if you haven't chucked the whole thing yet after reading this stuff.
Be kind to the Ninja. He has fallen for all the radical propoganda that RichMan, Moorlack, et al have been spewing. Look at the ratio of worker pay to boss pay for US corporations and compare to Europe and Japan and you will see who the real problem is.
I don't like the U word because we are differnt than the traditonal uniion. I feel that they are needed now more than ever to protect the little guy from the corporate heads that are draining this country...BUT...we are different.
We are composed of rank and file, managers, and retirees. That is not something you will find elsewhere. Our Board of Directors is composed of seven active Officers, one active Sergeant, and a retired Officer. Again we know the job, we all do it. We have all graduated from the Academy and we have all wored Graveyard. We also work with our management members to keep the CHP/CAHP a productive organization and currently we are working to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Don't get fooled, the state's problems don't have much to do with the states employees.

[BT]

One of the things I love about the CHP is the star and all it means and stands for. The points of the star represent the qualities that each member of the Department must possess. I'm new here but can you please tell me which point of the star your cursing comes under? I understand your point, but really?


Damnit is cursing? :noidea: redact damnit and replace with gosh? personally, I liked my picture of the derailed train..

Gosh.. There goes my thread.. Derailed due to politics!


CAHPDist2, I expected you to come to this fiasco of a thread at least a day ago! I'm currently preparing my gear bag and cleaning house, so no worries about me going anywhere :biggrin:

[CAHPDist2X]

North Coast rules!!
Get to the Academy, say hi to me when I show up, and remember, you only have to do it once.

[23112]

I had a buzzing in my ears and a burning in my backside and thought I'd check out this thread.

I initially wondered if the Ether Bunny got to you!

[Motor City Cop]

Damnit is cursing? :noidea: redact damnit and replace with gosh? personally, I liked my picture of the derailed train..

Gosh.. There goes my thread.. Derailed due to politics!


CAHPDist2, I expected you to come to this fiasco of a thread at least a day ago! I'm currently preparing my gear bag and cleaning house, so no worries about me going anywhere :biggrin:
I'm with you BT...I don't think you were cursing by saying "damnit." Congradulations on your invite!

[ExplorerSGT]

Chippies dont curse? :neutral:

[CHP OR BUST]

CONGRATS on your invite BT. It's like the saying goes. God will not give you a load you can not bench press. Hang in there. By the way, Darn-it should be suffice....:cool:

[CAHPDist2X]

Been away for a bit. Took a vacation to Hoover Darn to see the lake.
See you next month at the Aca-darn-my.

[Radar]

North Coast rules!!
Get to the Academy, say hi to me when I show up, and remember, you only have to do it once.

True, you do only have to do it once... but make sure it's loud and aimed towards his good ear! :cool:

[CHPwhyf]

Been away for a bit. Took a vacation to Hoover Darn to see the lake.
See you next month at the Aca-darn-my.

See now doesn't that feel good :wink: