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Windows 7. Everything that Vista isn't.
Got the beta running on a virtual machine and I'm impressed.
highway sentinel
01-13-2009, 08:59 AM
it's really that good, huh? darn, i already purchased one of the new aluminum macbooks two days ago... i did the leap. still waiting eagerly for it to be shipped! :surprised:
AyatollahGondola
01-14-2009, 09:02 AM
I'll let you guys guinea pig the 7. I don't care for this Vista. Seems like it's headed towards Windows ME.
cain.vanessa
01-14-2009, 10:19 AM
it's really that good, huh? darn, i already purchased one of the new aluminum macbooks two days ago... i did the leap. still waiting eagerly for it to be shipped! :surprised:
I love my mac, I don't know that I would ever go back to a PC but maybe with a new operating system I would give it a try. Was never a fan of vista.
NavytoCHP
01-14-2009, 04:08 PM
DW, what impresses you the most about it and what are some of the major differences that you've noticed from past versions?
Thanks...
Windows 7. Everything that Vista isn't.
Got the beta running on a virtual machine and I'm impressed.
DW, what impresses you the most about it and what are some of the major differences that you've noticed from past versions?
Thanks...I haven't played with a whole lot, but my initial impression was based on the appearance of less bloat. It installed in maybe 10-15 minutes, waaaay faster than XP or Vista. It just seems cleaner on the back end, very snappy and responsive. Startup and shutdown are lightning quick. I know it's a clean install, but it's faster than an XP clean install.
I really haven't used Vista, so I'm compaing mostly to XP. To me it looks like Vista on the front-end, but I wouldn't know what changes there are there.
NavytoCHP
01-14-2009, 04:36 PM
I hear ya on the clean installs...It really does make a difference on the speed factor.
It'll be interesting to see where Microsoft will go with the next generation Operating System. ME was the worst in my opinion and so far, Vista isn't doing so bad. The only thing about Vista is it's a memory hog.
Thanks...
I hear ya on the clean installs...It really does make a difference on the speed factor.
It'll be interesting to see where Microsoft will go with the next generation Operating System. ME was the worst in my opinion and so far, Vista isn't doing so bad. The only thing about Vista is it's a memory hog.
Thanks...I've avoided Vista primarily because of battery life. I'm not willing to take a 10-15% hit for show.... Windows 7 claims no less than 11% improvement over Vista.
I've only played with Vista a bit on other peoples' computers, but don't like it at all. It's too cartoonish, too dumbed-down, too intrusive, too bloated and has too many reported driver issues (especially in 64-bit mode). What little experience I had with it made me vow to never own a computer with Vista as the OS, and led me to purchase my Macbook.
Having "drank the kool-aid", it would take a lot of convincing to get me to try any new Micro$oft OS. As it currently stands I still have a PC on my desktop (running XP, which isn't too bad), but plan to replace it with an iMac in the somewhat-near future. The MacBook was the first Apple computer I've ever owned (had never even tried their OS before that), but I'm very impressed by OS X. As Apple says, "it just works". Windows 7 would have to be an absolutely monumental, revolutionary, earth-shaking improvement to sway me back to the M$ side.
gabriel
01-16-2009, 05:23 AM
... Having "drank the kool-aid", it would take a lot of convincing to get me to try any new Micro$oft OS. As it currently stands I still have a PC on my desktop (running XP, which isn't too bad), but plan to replace it with an iMac in the somewhat-near future. The MacBook was the first Apple computer I've ever owned (had never even tried their OS before that), but I'm very impressed by OS X. As Apple says, "it just works". Windows 7 would have to be an absolutely monumental, revolutionary, earth-shaking improvement to sway me back to the M$ side.
You can thank the *BSD's (http://www.bsd.org/) for Apple's notorious reliability, sturdiness and overall ease of use!
gabriel:
http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/powerani.gif since 2001! :biggrin:
You can thank the *BSD's (http://www.bsd.org/) for Apple's notorious reliability, sturdiness and overall ease of use!
...as opposed to Windows' BSOD (blue screen of death)? :badgrin:
Yep, MacOS is Unix-based. I haven't messed with the command line yet to see how much *nix code I remember from early internet days or my dabblings with Mandrake Linux on my last computer (had it set up as a dual-boot between Win98 and Linux) - but the beauty of MacOS is that while it's Unix-based and the command line is there if you want/need it, you don't have to "compile" software, mess with different kernels, etc. Linux is a great tinkerer's OS, but I never warmed up to it for everyday use. I haven't tried BSD to see if it's any different.
PapaBear
01-17-2009, 12:05 PM
I thought Windows 7 was not going to be available until 2010. Care to offer the site you used for the clean download, dw? May wish to upgrade myself. I am still using Windows XP and it is getting old and slow.
As a Mac user....wait till snow leopard releases.....I feel sorry for you windows users actually....
cain.vanessa
01-18-2009, 10:04 AM
As a Mac user....wait till snow leopard releases.....I feel sorry for you windows users actually....
Ohhh snow leopard :biggrin: I'm excited just by the name.
I thought Windows 7 was not going to be available until 2010. Care to offer the site you used for the clean download, dw? May wish to upgrade myself. I am still using Windows XP and it is getting old and slow.
PapaBear - try here for starters:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/
I don't know if they're still offering 'keys' for the beta version of Win7, but that's the download site straight from Microsoft (I wouldn't trust getting it from torrents or anywhere else on the internot).
Tom - the rumors I've heard have Snow Leopard releasing around mid-year sometime. Apple does seem to drag their feet, but I'd rather have them do that than take the Microsoft approach of releasing a half-baked product and then having to patch it over and over again just to make it work right and plug all the security holes. :hitwall:
Wow, didn't know so many here were on Macs! Been on one here since the original "Classic". Having to mess with other people's PCs just drive me nuts.
TheForceCHP
01-21-2009, 04:57 PM
Wow, didn't know so many here were on Macs! Been on one here since the original "Classic". Having to mess with other people's PCs just drive me nuts.
count me in :wink:
I thought Windows 7 was not going to be available until 2010. Care to offer the site you used for the clean download, dw? May wish to upgrade myself. I am still using Windows XP and it is getting old and slow.
PapaBear - try here for starters:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/Yup, that's it. Got it straight from Microsoft.
Keep in mind Papa, this is an early beta release and I definitely would not install it on your main computer. I installed it on a virtual machine just to play with.
iakona
01-21-2009, 07:45 PM
Wow, didn't know so many here were on Macs! Been on one here since the original "Classic". Having to mess with other people's PCs just drive me nuts.
I've been a Mac-man since the beginning, too. I tolerate PCs because I have to (while at work). You won't see a PC in my house.
PapaBear
01-22-2009, 08:09 AM
PapaBear - try here for starters:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/
Thanks, Mac. I had already visited that site and read the infor about Windows7. I am not convinced I want to jeopordize my system with a program that effectively will not function after Aug 2009. I know you can opt to go back to your previous program, but the troubles seem more than I am willing to adapt to at this time. Think I will just stay with my current system until the bugs are moved out and the blend smoother.
....I am not convinced I want to jeopordize my system with a program that effectively will not function after Aug 2009....
...and may not function too well in the meantime anyways! :razz:
Wow, didn't know so many here were on Macs! Been on one here since the original "Classic". Having to mess with other people's PCs just drive me nuts.
I'm a much more recent adopter (<1 yr.)...still have a total of 3 PC's in the house (1 laptop, 2 desktops), but as they get replaced they'll be phased out for Macs. I had to help a friend out with a minor issue on his (Vista) laptop the other night, and it just renewed my hatred and utter contempt for Vista.
Okay, so I'm curious. Really. I used Mac's exclusively before joining the HP, then because of CARS, Visio, and the like, switched to PC. I haven't used a Mac in years. For Mac and others who have made the transition PC to Mac, what specifically is better?
It seems like it would be a royal PITA to switch everything, buy new software.... Or do you run Windows on your Mac? I mean, yeah, I have complaints about Windows, but it works for me. My machines don't crash, they're as clean/fast as they can be, they talk to one another fine.... I just don't see an overwhelming reason to switch. What am I missing?
I have been looking at a Netbook of one brand or another -- they're just so darn cute.
volcanomike
01-22-2009, 11:45 AM
I'm an all around user. I had a iBook that was stolen, I used to use Windows primarily but now I mostly use Linux. I just enjoy tinkering I guess. But one thing I don't use anymore is Windows.
DW- Those netbooks are pretty cool. I've got an eeePc 701, one of the mini notebooks that started the whole trend of netbooks. It is fairly cool to use for web browsing and email, the only issue i have with my eeePc is the size is a bit on the small size, which isn't a problem now adays they have upped the sizes of the screen and keyboard. I suggest scoping one out.
Being a Lenovo junkie, I've been looking at the IdeaPad S10.
volcanomike
01-22-2009, 12:03 PM
Being a Lenovo junkie, I've been looking at the IdeaPad S10.
That looks nice to me, it's been awhile since I looked at netbooks and wow they have come a ways. My eeePc only has a 7 inch screen w/ a 900mhz processor. The only thing with the Lenovo is I would check to see if the RAM is upgradable. 1gb isn't a lot now adays. But then again if you are using it for what it is made for (browsing and email) I suppose 1gb isn't too bad.
Okay, so I'm curious. Really. I used Mac's exclusively before joining the HP, then because of CARS, Visio, and the like, switched to PC. I haven't used a Mac in years. For Mac and others who have made the transition PC to Mac, what specifically is better?
It seems like it would be a royal PITA to switch everything, buy new software.... Or do you run Windows on your Mac? I mean, yeah, I have complaints about Windows, but it works for me. My machines don't crash, they're as clean/fast as they can be, they talk to one another fine.... I just don't see an overwhelming reason to switch. What am I missing?
Geez, where do I begin? How about running a computer that runs seamlessly with all peripherals? How about a computer that can't get a virus or a trojan and I don't have to run a memory scamming anti-virus program? How about a computer that is just plan simpler than a complicated windows based machine? I can run windows on this machine (for CAD) but can you run Mac programs? The only software that I bought was word, excel and powerpoint. Easy transition...I use it at work....I uplink my Iphone thru MobileMe and my calendar, contacts and bookmarks automatically update on the laptop/Iphone....no physical connection required.
Gee...I could go on and on...
Geez, where do I begin? How about running a computer that runs seamlessly with all peripherals? How about a computer that can't get a virus or a trojan and I don't have to run a memory scamming anti-virus program? How about a computer that is just plan simpler than a complicated windows based machine? I can run windows on this machine (for CAD) but can you run Mac programs? The only software that I bought was word, excel and powerpoint. Easy transition...I use it at work....I uplink my Iphone thru MobileMe and my calendar, contacts and bookmarks automatically update on the laptop/Iphone....no physical connection required.
Gee...I could go on and on...
Cough Cough.. :biggrin:
Where do i begin?
How about a computer that can't get a virus or a trojan and I don't have to run a memory scamming anti-virus program?
Unfortunately for you, now that mac is catching more than 10% of the personal computer market share, it is starting to become attractive to hackers and such. Before you were just flying under the radar. Who wants to put forth the effort to write rogue applications when 95%+ of the population runs a different operating system?
Apple directly refutes your comment within this article http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/02/apple_mac_av_advice/
Apple recommends you get a anti-virus program these days.
How about a computer that is just plan simpler than a complicated windows based machine? I can run windows on this machine (for CAD) but can you run Mac programs?
The current OS on pc's really doesn't strike me as complicated at all, rather the applications that are run such as CAD. The only mac software that i run through a PC is Itunes and quicktime and neither requires an emulator. I do know that the Apple doesn't support 95% of the business applications that i run at work and the last thing you need is to have to try and troubleshoot through an emulator if something fails. I imagine as Mac increases market share and becomes more PC-like, you will have increased issues on supporting a OS that offers a larger application platform. I do seamless uplinks too on my iphone using MS's Outlook.
Ultimately it is the end user's decision. Do you want a single clicky interface that is approved from ages 3 and up? It comes standard on the mac.
Ok, I'm done taunting the Macaphiles. In all honesty, I don't have any issues running a PC or Mac. PC is just more convenient in many ways for me.
volcanomike
01-26-2009, 04:55 PM
Unfortunately for you, now that mac is catching more than 10% of the personal computer market share, it is starting to become attractive to hackers and such. Before you were just flying under the radar. Who wants to put forth the effort to write rogue applications when 95%+ of the population runs a different operating system?
Apple directly refutes your comment within this article http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/02/apple_mac_av_advice/
Apple recommends you get a anti-virus program these days.
The page that the article is based on was removed, it was outdated. But I'll still stick with Linux :cool:
AmbuDriver03
02-02-2009, 06:17 PM
Vista x64 is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than the 32 bit windows...
It's nearly 2x as fast, and it loads rediculously fast as opposed to the 32bit version.
I have an HP Laptop, and it came with Windows Vista 32bit, and I have 64bit installed on a dual boot, because when i'm doing video editing, i'd rather harness the FULL power of the laptop.
Also, 64bit can address more memory, 32bit maxes out at 3GB... (I have 4gig installed)
the 64bit Windows7 is... Amazing...
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