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Although the reorganization is something that I've been thinking of for months, I've just thought of some new ideas that may keep things more open.... Standby for news.
ExplorerSGT
10-30-2008, 06:16 PM
Yeah it would kinda suck to shut everyone out...:popcorn:
Eagl5
10-30-2008, 06:49 PM
Yeah it would kinda suck to shut everyone out...:popcorn:
Well not everyone :shock:
ExplorerSGT
10-30-2008, 06:51 PM
Well not everyone :shock:
you know what i mean....us outsiders.:sad:
volcanomike
10-30-2008, 07:07 PM
Why not make the hiring forum open for topic creation to everyone and then only Verified or those in the know can respond. That will cut down on hearsay and people that don't know responding.
Edit:
Although I know that's not the only problem you are encountering.
quaylie
10-31-2008, 07:02 AM
Why not make the hiring forum open for topic creation to everyone and then only Verified or those in the know can respond. That will cut down on hearsay and people that don't know responding.
Edit:
Although I know that's not the only problem you are encountering.
That is actually a great idea.
Wouldn't that solve most of the problems??
And give out infractions to those that dare discuss hiring anywhere else on the forums.
Sorry, I love this place too much to have to leave.
Why not make the hiring forum open for topic creation to everyone and then only Verified or those in the know can respond. That will cut down on hearsay and people that don't know responding.Because the problem remains that a) many, dare I say most people fail to do their homework and ask redundant questions, b) the hiring process is a unique aspect of the Department and procedures vary by Division -- unless an officer works in the hiring process, they probably don't have information available to answer most questions, which leaves c) just a couple of us here can not keep up with all the questions -- all answered on our own time -- and soon I'll be out of the loop in regard to hiring practices. d) An applicant deserves official, bona-fide information provide by someone they can follow-up with. In the long-run, the unofficial (though accurate) source of information we provide presents problems. And e) the Department makes recruiters readily available to answer questions in person, by telephone, and by email. While the Internet could be a valuable component, there are more than adequate channels available now.
quaylie
10-31-2008, 09:43 AM
Because the problem remains that a) many, dare I say most people fail to do their homework and ask redundant questions, b) the hiring process is a unique aspect of the Department and procedures vary by Division -- unless an officer works in the hiring process, they probably don't have information available to answer most questions, which leaves c) just a couple of us here can not keep up with all the questions -- all answered on our own time -- and soon I'll be out of the loop in regard to hiring practices. d) An applicant deserves official, bona-fide information provide by someone they can follow-up with. In the long-run, the unofficial (though accurate) source of information we provide presents problems. And e) the Department makes recruiters readily available to answer questions in person, by telephone, and by email. While the Internet could be a valuable component, there are more than adequate channels available now.
As far as the Hiring Process section goes, is there any way to put a disclaimer at the top of every page of a thread expressing that answers will be answered to the best of a "verfied chippies" knowledge but contact your local recruiter for further verification? Just an idea, that you may or may not like.
SB 405
10-31-2008, 11:09 AM
Redundant you say...
..."I smoked pot once in high school,will I be DQ'd"?
..."I haven't heard from my BI in a week,should I call"?
..."I can't recall a job I held three years ago,what do I do"?
..."I got a ticket five years ago,should I tell my BI"?
..."My ex-Girlfriend hates me,will that hurt my chances"?
..."What should I do about my tattoos"?
..."What items do I bring to the Academy"?
..."I recieved a __ on my written,is that good"?
..."Should I shave my head,or just cut my hair short"?
..."What should I wear during my interview"?
...Is the PAT really hard"?
Oh yeah,If I had a dime for everytime...
CHP4LIFE.
10-31-2008, 11:26 AM
I agree with DW about all of the redundant questions, but it would be a shame to lose this cite. Verified Chippies may not know all of the answers in regards to the hiring process, but they know way more than civillians trying to get on. I support the Idea of Verified Chippies being the only ones allowed to answer hiring questions. The disclaimer idea is also nice, but I can see where that would lead to the same problem DW has been dealing with, WRONG INFO being given out. :hitwall:
I hope those who CHOOSE not to follow directions and ask redundant questions don't cost the rest of us this great website.
I know it's a bit harsh, but if a person asks a question that has already been answered, perhaps the question and their profile should be deleted. After all, they have been warned.
TheForceCHP
10-31-2008, 12:05 PM
but it would be a shame to lose this cite.
It will look bad on your 100 form :doh: Sorry I couldn't resist.
CHP4LIFE.
10-31-2008, 12:32 PM
Oops! :doh:
Make that "site" :razz:
PapaBear
10-31-2008, 02:38 PM
Although the reorganization is something that I've been thinking of for months, I've just thought of some new ideas that may keep things more open.... Standby for news.
Way to go Dee Dub. Hope all will work out for the non-sworn regulars who visit the site regularly. I love you, man! (L) (H)
bcjack
10-31-2008, 09:06 PM
Oops! :doh:
Make that "site" :razz:
Sight????
I think we've worked something out internally. Now I have to implement it, which will take a little more time than I had today. Things may be changing tomorrow or Monday.
Sorry for the delay folks, I haven't had the free time needed to attend to things. I'm looking at implementing the changes by December 1, likely after Thanksgiving.
bcjack
11-11-2008, 07:38 PM
Sorry for the delay folks, I haven't had the free time needed to attend to things. I'm looking at implementing the changes by December 1, likely after Thanksgiving.
Any hints or previews????:think:
AyatollahGondola
11-12-2008, 05:32 PM
Any hints or previews????:think:
A dungeon section where I'll be a trustee:cool:
Any hints or previews????:think:Long story short, if it is worth it to you to jump through a hoop or two to participate (register), your access will continue as always. For those not willing to spend a few minutes for a more in-depth registration, access will be read-only.
Reader
11-12-2008, 11:44 PM
I shall be happy to jump through a few(or more) hoops for the continuation of this forum.:biggrin:
Thank you.
CivvieInNY
11-13-2008, 10:51 AM
I shall be happy to jump through a few(or more) hoops for the continuation of this forum.:biggrin:
Thank you.
As am I. After all, I've had to give my pedigree info to many, many police officers over the years.
(Wait. Did I say that out loud? :doh:)
Just kidding, guys. :biggrin:
quaylie
11-14-2008, 07:16 AM
Long story short, if it is worth it to you to jump through a hoop or two to participate (register), your access will continue as always. For those not willing to spend a few minutes for a more in-depth registration, access will be read-only.
Thank you DW for doing everything you could to keep this site open to as many people as possible. Much appreciated sir.
SB 405
11-14-2008, 10:28 AM
I got an idea....Hey dw,anything special you would like for Christmas ol' buddy ol' pal of mine?:wink:
...I'm looking at implementing the changes by December 1, likely after Thanksgiving.
Yeah, December 1 normally occurs after Thanksgiving...
(I'm not going to get full access now am I????) :doh:
HippieChip
11-14-2008, 07:09 PM
Hmmmm :think: This ought to be interesting..... can't wait to see what you are a going to reveal
emcviper
11-26-2008, 02:24 PM
The wait is almost as bad as waiting for my QAP results...well, maybe not, but still.
CAHPDist2X
11-27-2008, 04:20 PM
Wow! I just saw some poor sucker get shut down for asking a simple question about whether he should apply. I'm not sure of the value of not allowing the prospects ask questions. If they rely on anonymous answers on a freebie web site, well...they get what they pay for. The whole idea of a "forum" is to share information. I was asked to participate because I had info to share but I guess that only extends to some people. :tape: The CHP has a long proud history of helping the public. Those of us who are true CHP Officers are always willing to give our input to those in need.
If anyone has been intimidated to the point that they are afraid to ask a question, contact me at info@thecahp.org and I'll get you an answer.
Rick :rolleyes:
Fire1
11-27-2008, 08:26 PM
Those of us who are true CHP Officers are always willing to give our input to those in need.
So you are calling me an "Untrue" CHP officer because I don't want to answer another "I ate a weed cookie before. Will that disqualify me?", "I"ve had two speeding tickets. Will that keep me out?" Etc etc, ad Nausium. True, that are people that have legit questions and we as officers can help out. But that is why there are background officer to do lengthly back ground checks. If it were that easy, than anyone could write a short essay on here, and one of us read it and say "Yep sounds good to me. I recommend you for the academy." That is why we have job fairs, Orientations, and a direct line to a recruiter. If someone wants to tell about themselves, they can feel free to knock themselves out. But when they start asking if they should do this or that, that is where this "forum" help ends and they need to go the the resources that are in place. I will give directions to a lost motorist any day, but don't call me not a true CHP officer because i don't want to answer another hiring question.
AyatollahGondola
11-27-2008, 08:41 PM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.......
I'm thankful for all I have learned here. Hope to have more to be thankful for next thanksgiving.....god willing
DW's god here, right?:wink:
BoySergeant
11-27-2008, 09:06 PM
Yes, dw IS God here... and I'm just one of his minions!
After dealing with the barrage of hiring questions that come by way of this forum, I'd have to say they are "taxing" on our resources. The Department has plenty of avenues available for applicants to find answers to questions. If the Department does not want or is not interested in a sponsored hiring forum at this time... it is what it is then. Keeping up with hiring questions on this forum is a FULL TIME JOB, a full time job for several people. Sounds like something the CHU should look into.
Keeping a handle on the misinformation (even amongst moderators) is also difficult. Do you want people to receive just any information (be it right or wrong)? Plenty of people answer questions here who have no idea what the answer really is. None of us know the answers to everything... dw does an excellent job of researching information... and all of the moderators have, at least, as fundamental grasp of what being a true CHP officer is and can give guidance in measured amounts to those in need. I'm seriously concerned when I hear someone suggest that members are not true officers because they are simply not willing to answer every menial question that comes across their bow. Those beliefs appear to be formed with no fundamental knowledge base of what this forum was initially intended to be and is, at its core, inflammatory and demeaning.
We all have our niches and expertise and can help applicants when in need. I do not think we should spoon feed anyone anything. I'm concerned about people thinking they are "entitled" to have their job. If they are fortunate to make it through our glorious academy, they are often reminded that they joined the CHP, the CHP did not join them. I worked hard and had to sit in backgrounds for 2 years before I was hired...some get through in mere months now... I'm digressing...
CAHPDist2, it sounds like your are volunteering to answer questions, including hiring questions... that would be a great help and I'm sure a lot of people will benefit from it... but be careful what you ask for... it is overwhelming.
Wow! I just saw some poor sucker get shut down for asking a simple question about whether he should apply. I'm not sure of the value of not allowing the prospects ask questions. If they rely on anonymous answers on a freebie web site, well...they get what they pay for. The whole idea of a "forum" is to share information. I was asked to participate because I had info to share but I guess that only extends to some people. :tape: The CHP has a long proud history of helping the public. Those of us who are true CHP Officers are always willing to give our input to those in need.
If anyone has been intimidated to the point that they are afraid to ask a question, contact me at info@thecahp.org and I'll get you an answer.
Rick :rolleyes:I think I've outlined the issues, but as others have pointed out, providing correct information to the literally hundreds of applicants who use CHPForums is overwhelming for a couple of us who chose to volunteer our time. I too can look into each specific questions and often do so by PM, but at some point I am unwilling to volunteer hours of time each night because the Department does not want to support the Internet (be in my site or theirs) as a functional Web 2.0 recruitment tool.
bcjack
11-27-2008, 09:48 PM
Not being a CHP Officer and giving advice here has gotten me in trouble before. I do not profess to know the intimate details of the CHP, but I do know a little about personnel management principles in general. That being said, I don't believe that this forum was ever intended to answer specific questions like "will I get DQ'ed because I did X or Y"? Those questions are as individual as the individual asking them and should be answered by the CHP officials charged with administering the hiring process. IMHO, any such questions need to be ignored by the members of this forum and deleted by the moderators as soon as they are aware of them. Being cheerleaders and supportive of candidates is a good thing, but the "What if" questions should be directed to the source that can OFFICIALLY answer the questions.
Stanggrl67
05-31-2009, 12:41 PM
First of all i agree with all the other i ideas put forth by various contributors, ie: only verified chps can answer. However, i think it would be helpful to allow POSTS.. (not questions) such as progress posts in the hiring process parts like
took my QAP still waiting for results :neutral:
etc..
just an idea, bc im sure there will always be people that are going to ruin it then again there is that helpful BAN feature ..:idea:
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