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reils49
08-15-2008, 07:26 AM
Mexico criticizes shooting at border-
U.S. says agent fired after rocks thrown

By Debbi Baker, Kristina Davis and Sandra Dibble
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS

August 14, 2008

SAN YSIDRO – The shooting of a Mexican man by a U.S. Border Patrol agent during a rock-throwing incident west of the San Ysidro border crossing drew a rebuke yesterday from the Mexican Consulate in San Diego and a demand that U.S. authorities conduct a “thorough investigation.”

“Any kind of shooting toward Mexican territory is rejected by the Mexican government,” Consul General Remedios Gómez Arnau said. “They should have waited for response of the Mexican authorities.”

The Border Patrol agent shot at two people in Mexico on Tuesday night, wounding one, after a group suspected of trying to illegally enter the United States threw rocks and concrete chunks at agents, U.S. authorities said.

The agent told investigators that he feared for his life, but Gómez said it violated protocols to deal with such incidents.

The shooting occurred near Virginia Avenue at the U.S.-Mexico border in San Ysidro about 10 p.m., when an agent saw three to four people trying to scale the border fence, said San Diego homicide Lt. Terry McManus.
The agent drove toward the group and was met by a barrage of rocks and concrete thrown from the other side, McManus said.

About four to six agents responded to a call for backup and used a gate in the fence to get to its south side, an area still within the United States.
The agents fired pepper balls and other chemical agents at a group of seven to 15 people to disperse them, McManus said.
Most of the crowd ran away, he said.

“However, two of the suspects remained, still armed with rocks, and directed their attention toward the Border Patrol agents,” McManus said.
From about 50 feet away, an agent fired two rounds from his rifle, striking a 23-year-old man who was standing on Mexican soil, McManus said.
A spokesman for Tijuana's General Hospital identified the patient as Edgar Israel Ortega Chávez, according to information supplied by the Red Cross, which transported him to the hospital.

Ortega has a single gunshot wound. The bullet entered his left buttocks and exited through his pelvis, the spokesman said. He remained under police custody yesterday after surgery.

Ortega had yet to give a statement to state investigators by yesterday afternoon, according to the Baja California Attorney General's Office.
San Diego investigators were in Tijuana yesterday hoping to interview Ortega, McManus said.

According to a Tijuana police report, the incident occurred in an area west of the San Ysidro border crossing known as Colonia Empleados Federales. When police arrived, they found Ortega lying on the ground. They also found a tear-gas canister and two spent cartridges from a .223-caliber weapon, the report states.

McManus said the unidentified agent, who has been with the Border Patrol for 10 years, feared for his life and the safety of other agents when he fired his gun. No Border Patrol agents were injured during the incident.
Throwing objects at agents is a common practice, said Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Daryl Reed. Smugglers often throw rocks and concrete as a diversion.

So far this year, there have been 330 assaults on agents, compared with 254 reported incidents in 2007, Reed said.

The stretch of border where the shooting occurred has a 15-to 20-foot-tall fence made of corrugated steel.

On the south side of the fence is a levee, part of which is in the United States and part in Mexico.

The Border Patrol would like the man who was shot to be arrested for assault and will ask Mexican authorities for their cooperation, Reed said.

He could not say if the agent is on leave or has returned to duty.
San Diego police and the FBI are investigating the shooting.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20080814-9999-1m14rocks.html

feedmelies
08-15-2008, 11:05 AM
Then stuff like this happens...

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/06/soldiers-cross-into-us-hold-guns-to-agent/

A U.S. Border Patrol agent was held at gunpoint Sunday night by members of the Mexican military who had crossed the border into Arizona, but the soldiers returned to Mexico without incident when backup agents responded to assist.

Mac
08-15-2008, 01:56 PM
...“Any kind of shooting toward Mexican territory is rejected by the Mexican government,” Consul General Remedios Gómez Arnau said. “They should have waited for response of the Mexican authorities.”
Something about a pot and a kettle immediately comes to mind here.... :think:

reils49
08-15-2008, 04:55 PM
It's these situations that make me question my sanity for applying with the USBP.:doh:

makakona
08-15-2008, 08:58 PM
“Any kind of shooting toward Mexican territory is rejected by the Mexican government,” Consul General Remedios Gómez Arnau said.
this quote made me laugh. they're doing - and will likely continue to do - the exact opposite of "rejecting" the shooting.

PapaBear
08-16-2008, 04:44 AM
Lest some ultra liberal think this is an over-reaction, I would remind them that "Stoning" is a common form of capital punishment in Arab countries and that David slew Goliath with a stone. Therefore, a stone is a deadly weapon and certainly falls within the purview of using such action against the hurler. It should be a good shoot because the USBP is too often the target of thoughtless citizens to the South of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. The U.S. needs to adopt a more aggressive policy towards those types of attacks and support our border officers.

bplusmc
08-18-2008, 08:30 PM
Many years ago when I was a grunt, we did Joint Task Force mission in TX. While watching for drugs coming across the boarder, there was a Mexican "farmer" shooting at us. After about 5 mins (and 7 rounds walking in on our positions) we made the choice to take him out. I could not believe how many U.S. citizens flipped out on us. :hitwall:

AyatollahGondola
08-18-2008, 08:38 PM
That's probably because you didn't read him his rights first. We're extremely particular about that here.

bplusmc
08-18-2008, 08:40 PM
That's probably because you didn't read him his rights first. We're extremely particular about that here.


:lol: What was I thinking!!

MCSD
08-18-2008, 10:05 PM
It's these situations that make me question my sanity for applying with the USBP.:doh:

Couldn't have said it any better. I've said for the longest, WHY THE HECK would ANYONE apply to BP when two agents are in jail for 10/11 years and the suspect is free.

reils49
08-19-2008, 06:50 AM
Couldn't have said it any better. I've said for the longest, WHY THE HECK would ANYONE apply to BP when two agents are in jail for 10/11 years and the suspect is free.

+1

David
08-20-2008, 03:12 PM
Many years ago when I was a grunt, we did Joint Task Force mission in TX. While watching for drugs coming across the boarder, there was a Mexican "farmer" shooting at us. After about 5 mins (and 7 rounds walking in on our positions) we made the choice to take him out. With what? A M16A2? 155mm howitzer? Airstrike?

23112
08-20-2008, 03:29 PM
Rule #1: Don't bring rocks to a gun fight.

bplusmc
08-20-2008, 06:53 PM
With what? A M16A2? 155mm howitzer? Airstrike?

M16A2. We saved the airstrike for the school bus.

David
08-23-2008, 11:47 AM
55gr M193 or 62gr M855?

Yzeman
08-23-2008, 09:57 PM
With what? A M16A2? 155mm howitzer? Airstrike?

55gr M193 or 62gr M855?

...paper or plastic?...

bplusmc
08-25-2008, 09:59 PM
...paper or plastic?...
+1

David
09-02-2008, 03:26 PM
...paper or plastic?... Oh, I usually get paper. :biggrin: