What are the rules on this?

[Phaedrus]

Hi there! This got posted on a motorcycling message board I belong to, and I was wondering what the rules are on this in regard to lane sharing in California.

I know lane sharing is legal and that the onus is generally on the motorcyclist to be safe about it, but in this video, the driver of the SUV is clearly trying to create a dangerous situation. Is there a law being broken?

http://media.putfile.com/DickHead-of-the-week

PS. Sorry about the URL name - not my doing :smile:

[NorCalN00b]

Hi there! This got posted on a motorcycling message board I belong to, and I was wondering what the rules are on this in regard to lane sharing in California.

I know lane sharing is legal and that the onus is generally on the motorcyclist to be safe about it, but in this video, the driver of the SUV is clearly trying to create a dangerous situation. Is there a law being broken?

http://media.putfile.com/DickHead-of-the-week

PS. Sorry about the URL name - not my doing :smile:
Lane sharing should be illegal, period! After watching that video, I don't think I'll ever try the lane sharing method if I ever get a motorcycle.

[Phaedrus]

Lane sharing should be illegal, period! After watching that video, I don't think I'll ever try the lane sharing method if I ever get a motorcycle.

If it weren't for that one driver being a complete jerk, it looks to me like the MC rider was doing fine (if a little faster than I would be comfortable with). I don't think it should be illegal. In fact, I wish more states would make it legal!

[NorCalN00b]

Lane sharing should be illegal, period! After watching that video, I don't think I'll ever try the lane sharing method if I ever get a motorcycle.

If it weren't for that one driver being a complete jerk, it looks to me like the MC rider was doing fine (if a little faster than I would be comfortable with). I don't think it should be illegal. In fact, I wish more states would make it legal!
I'd hate to get crushed in between two cars!

Maybe the person in that Jeep is a soccer mom who just didn't like the fact that the motorcycle guy is blazing though traffic and she's late to her son's soccer practice :lol: ;)

[jeremyscreek]

Lane sharing is a tricking thing. Many officers don't even agree with what is acceptable and what isn't. My understanding is this: As long as you are completely in one lane you are fine. What you can't do, is ride on the white lines delineating the lanes, meaning you can't ride with half your m/c in one lane and the other half in a different lane. You are not allowed to straddle lanes. Then it's basically up to the officers opinion as to whether your speed is safe/unsafe while lane sharing.

A big thing to remember if you lane share. You will tick some people off, regardless of how juvenile it is to get mad at lane sharers. This can cause them to make unsafe lane changes or to intentially drive towards a m/c doing this. You also leave yourself more vulnerable to unsafe lane changes made by those that just aren't paying attention or couldn't see you because you are so much smaller. In most cases though, you will be found at fault in the collision. Rarely, there will be several witnesses to stay on scene explain how it looked like somebody purposely turned into you but that is hard to prove even with witnesses.

Bottom line, in my opinion, is lane share if you want to. Be smart about it and don't ride over your head. But do it at your own risk, physically and financially, because you are the one that is usually held responsible. Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience and understanding of the issue.

[retchp]

The person in the Jeep is commiting a violation of 245 PC, Assault with a deadly weapon (vehicle), a felony and if the motorcyclist was actually struck and injured or killed could be prosecuted for attempted 187 PC or 187 PC Murder.
A lot of motorists don't like lane splitting by motorcyclists. Get over it. It is legal and safe if properly done and not done at great speeds through already moving traffic. In other words just do it in stop and go or stopped traffic and then at speeds of only 10 to 15 mph.
I have done it hundreds of times when I rode a bike and have been assaulted by these crazy/jealous a**h**les several times. If you are a rider and you do this just know that sometime somewhere someone will try to pinch you off. They are commiting a crime at that moment. A serious crime.

[Phaedrus]

Thanks for the input.

I would suppose that if the party wronged in this case were bent out of shape enough about it, he could take the video to the CHP and ask that charges be filed?

I've had a similar incident, but felt satisfied enough with talking to the driver that I wouldn't have been interested in pressing charges against them or anything of that sort.

[makakona]

A lot of motorists don't like lane splitting by motorcyclists. Get over it. It is legal and safe if properly done and not done at great speeds through already moving traffic. In other words just do it in stop and go or stopped traffic and then at speeds of only 10 to 15 mph.


unfortunately, that's not how all lane-sharers ride. if they did, i'm not sure there would be such an uproar over it...

[redhead]

Not sure if this has been shared on this site yet, but these Helmet Cams are becoming a big thing.

Video (http://media.putfile.com/Accident96)

That was a girl riding and it happened in So-Cal
Link to the orig post (http://socalsportbikes.info/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=34948)

[RC5150]

Not sure if this has been shared on this site yet, but these Helmet Cams are becoming a big thing.

Video (http://media.putfile.com/Accident96)

That was a girl riding and it happened in So-Cal
Link to the orig post (http://socalsportbikes.info/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=34948)



This is a friend of mine, and this is one of the reasons she went out and spent the money on a helmet cam. This guy told the Officers at the scene that she was driving in a reckless manner and that she hit him. He wasn't aware of the video, and I believed he's getting fanged for false statements to a police officer.

[redhead]

..... I believe he's getting fanged for false statements to a police officer.
SWEET. Justice!

Glad she had that on. It truly is amazing how fast it all happens.

[bcjack]

OK...Changing lanes is a turning movement...Correct??? Most riders that split lanes will move from lane to lane to avoid the stopped cars. WHERE DOES 22108 CVC FIT IN TO THESE LANE CHANGES?????

[TheForceCHP]

Hi there! This got posted on a motorcycling message board I belong to, and I was wondering what the rules are on this in regard to lane sharing in California.

I know lane sharing is legal and that the onus is generally on the motorcyclist to be safe about it, but in this video, the driver of the SUV is clearly trying to create a dangerous situation. Is there a law being broken?

http://media.putfile.com/DickHead-of-the-week

PS. Sorry about the URL name - not my doing :smile:
Lane sharing should be illegal, period! After watching that video, I don't think I'll ever try the lane sharing method if I ever get a motorcycle.

and why should it?!?! as i stated in another thread already. it is safer to be splitting then sitting in traffic. we don't have bumpers and if we get rear-ended the damage can be bad(as happened on the 10 the other week, guy was rear-ended and died). the problem is the stupid squids that speed and cause damage to other people's cars, they give us a bad name.
you would be surprised how many cars try to hit me on purpose!!! when riding you have to give 100% of your attention to the people around you because they are the ones that will kill you. you should be happy that we are saving gas and we are not just another car taking up a spot on the freeway

[dw]

http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html#03

[makakona]

Hi there! This got posted on a motorcycling message board I belong to, and I was wondering what the rules are on this in regard to lane sharing in California.

I know lane sharing is legal and that the onus is generally on the motorcyclist to be safe about it, but in this video, the driver of the SUV is clearly trying to create a dangerous situation. Is there a law being broken?

http://media.putfile.com/DickHead-of-the-week

PS. Sorry about the URL name - not my doing :smile:
Lane sharing should be illegal, period! After watching that video, I don't think I'll ever try the lane sharing method if I ever get a motorcycle.

and why should it?!?! as i stated in another thread already. it is safer to be splitting then sitting in traffic. we don't have bumpers and if we get rear-ended the damage can be bad.

that's why you drive a car... ;)

[TheForceCHP]

Hi there! This got posted on a motorcycling message board I belong to, and I was wondering what the rules are on this in regard to lane sharing in California.

I know lane sharing is legal and that the onus is generally on the motorcyclist to be safe about it, but in this video, the driver of the SUV is clearly trying to create a dangerous situation. Is there a law being broken?

http://media.putfile.com/DickHead-of-the-week

PS. Sorry about the URL name - not my doing :smile:
Lane sharing should be illegal, period! After watching that video, I don't think I'll ever try the lane sharing method if I ever get a motorcycle.

and why should it?!?! as i stated in another thread already. it is safer to be splitting then sitting in traffic. we don't have bumpers and if we get rear-ended the damage can be bad.

that's why you drive a car... ;)

no, that is why we split;) next time you see a motor officer make sure that you tell him to to split

[makakona]

and why should it?!?! as i stated in another thread already. it is safer to be splitting then sitting in traffic. we don't have bumpers and if we get rear-ended the damage can be bad.

that's why you drive a car... ;)

no, that is why we split;) next time you see a motor officer make sure that you tell him to to split

i have NEVER seen a motor ride the way i see some jackasses out there ride. my husband used to ride on occasion, but once we got married and had kids, that was out the window. i rarely put my foot down (or need to, haha), but that's something i won't compromise on. i told him he could ride if he did so through work, but not otherwise. fortunately he respects my feelings on the subject enough to comply, haha. my cousin was horribly injured in a motorcycle accident that happened in front of our house. a month and a half ago, a great friend of ours was killed while safely lane-splitting, leaving behind his wife (who has never had to work) and two small children (two years and five months).

[TheForceCHP]

and why should it?!?! as i stated in another thread already. it is safer to be splitting then sitting in traffic. we don't have bumpers and if we get rear-ended the damage can be bad.

that's why you drive a car... ;)

no, that is why we split;) next time you see a motor officer make sure that you tell him to to split

i have NEVER seen a motor ride the way i see some jackasses out there ride. my husband used to ride on occasion, but once we got married and had kids, that was out the window. i rarely put my foot down (or need to, haha), but that's something i won't compromise on. i told him he could ride if he did so through work, but not otherwise. fortunately he respects my feelings on the subject enough to comply, haha. my cousin was horribly injured in a motorcycle accident that happened in front of our house. a month and a half ago, a great friend of ours was killed while safely lane-splitting, leaving behind his wife (who has never had to work) and two small children (two years and five months).

Take a look back and you will see that i differentiate between how you are supposed to split and how people who GIVE US A BAD NAME!!! split. obviously you didn't get the point that some people should be shot for how they ride bikes(squids/stunters, riding like crazy and with no gear on) and that i don't agree with that. I am sorry to hear about your friend, but that is one of the dangers of riding, whether you are splitting or not. Who is to say that they where splitting safely, and even when you are, even a split second on not noticing something will get you killed whether you are splitting or just riding like normal. the truth of the matter is that it is not so much of bikers killing themselves as much as it is other people killing them.

The dangers of riding come with the territory. through your experience you see it as something that you are unable to accept. for me and many others i accept the risk and try to offset it by buying gear to protect me. I always ride with my top-of-the-line helmet, my high-end jacket, my gloves; almost every time i ride with my overpants and i should be ordering my riding boots later this week. I only wish that others would ride with gear also.

The thought of riding for the CHP(something that i plan on doing eventually) is something that bothers me more then my casual riding. the reason why is that they don't ride with as much gear as i like. i would like to see officers getting better gear to protect them though i don't know if it will ever happen(and i also recognize that it could be resrictive in some situations.

realize that in the rest of the world bikes are the norm and get respect on the roads. in CA we allow splitting that in all but i think NY is illegal. It is a two way street. Riders need to stop acting like idiots(those that do that is) and people in cars need to pay more attention(something that should happen regardless of bikes)

[makakona]

Take a look back and you will see that i differentiate between how you are supposed to split and how people who GIVE US A BAD NAME!!! split. obviously you didn't get the point that some people should be shot for how they ride bikes(squids/stunters, riding like crazy and with no gear on) and that i don't agree with that. I am sorry to hear about your friend, but that is one of the dangers of riding, whether you are splitting or not. Who is to say that they where splitting safely, and even when you are, even a split second on not noticing something will get you killed whether you are splitting or just riding like normal. the truth of the matter is that it is not so much of bikers killing themselves as much as it is other people killing them.

The dangers of riding come with the territory. through your experience you see it as something that you are unable to accept. for me and many others i accept the risk and try to offset it by buying gear to protect me. I always ride with my top-of-the-line helmet, my high-end jacket, my gloves; almost every time i ride with my overpants and i should be ordering my riding boots later this week. I only wish that others would ride with gear also.

The thought of riding for the CHP(something that i plan on doing eventually) is something that bothers me more then my casual riding. the reason why is that they don't ride with as much gear as i like. i would like to see officers getting better gear to protect them though i don't know if it will ever happen(and i also recognize that it could be resrictive in some situations.

realize that in the rest of the world bikes are the norm and get respect on the roads. in CA we allow splitting that in all but i think NY is illegal. It is a two way street. Riders need to stop acting like idiots(those that do that is) and people in cars need to pay more attention(something that should happen regardless of bikes)

no, YOU look back and see that i said it was unfortunate that we rarely, if ever, see lane-sharers who do it correctly. aw,crap, looks like that was on another thread. anyway, i said it somewhere.

who's to say our friend was riding correctly? i give credit to the witnesses and chp who saw the accident occur.

[TheForceCHP]

edit:saying it on another thread, good well we are on this one.

most of the guys that i see split, or split behind, are riding just fine. and like i said about your friend, even if they where riding perfect a split second of not seeing something could make the diffrence. this is not to say that many times there is nothing that you can do about getting hit. note: i was not trying to put your friend down at all! just pointing out that riding is not always safe and that we accept certain risks when we ride just like an officer accpets risk's by doing his job.

this topic is done. you don't like people splitting or those who give bikes a bad name. i don't like those who give bikes a bad name either(squids) and would gladly kick them off the road. whether you like it or not splitting is legal and will stay that way. when done safely it is just as safe as regular riding, and just like anything else can be dangerous when done stupidly. i hope you reailze from what i write that i am not a squid and respect riding as being dangerous. i wear my gear to stay safe and wish that more people would do the same

[makakona]

no, that is why we split;) next time you see a motor officer make sure that you tell him not to split

this topic is done.

only if you tell him to quit speeding. there is no comparison between road rules for an officer versus a civilian.

the topic is done because you say so? um... okay.

and i have NO idea what this means: "saying it on another say, good well we are on this one."

[TheForceCHP]

no, that is why we split;) next time you see a motor officer make sure that you tell him not to split

this topic is done.

only if you tell him to quit speeding. there is no comparison between road rules for an officer versus a civilian.

the topic is done because you say so? um... okay.

and i have NO idea what this means: "saying it on another say, good well we are on this one."

when you quote two different posts make sure you break them up because they where different.

i won't tell him to quit speeding or lane splitting, i never said i had a problem with them speeding;)
this topic is done because we can keep going back and forth all year long. yes, it is done because i said so. i agree to disagree on this one.

as for my quote. sorry i didn't re-read it. it should say: saying it on another thread, good well we are on this one.

[makakona]

when you quote two different posts make sure you break them up because they where different.

as for my quote. sorry i didn't re-read it. it should say: saying it on another thread, good well we are on this one.

if you give me lessons in html, i'll give you a few in grammar and punctuation. ;)

[TheForceCHP]

not a matter of slamming you. i don't like when quotes are taken from different posts(different sources for that matter).

grammar and punctuation, LOL, this is the internet and i don't care that much. if you have to attack that then you have nothing better to say. i write hundreds of pages a year in school and i don't care that much what you think about my internet writing

[makakona]

not a matter of slamming you. i don't like when quotes are taken from different posts(different sources for that matter).

grammar and punctuation, LOL, this is the internet and i don't care that much. if you have to attack that then you have nothing better to say. i write hundreds of pages a year in school and i don't care that much what you think about my internet writing

they weren't different sources, just different posts. i am completely stupid to html, so unless someone teaches me otherwise, i guess i'll just continue to annoy! i could say, "this is the internet and i don't care that much," but that would be rude, haha... fact is, i'm just ignorant in that arena!

proper grammar and punctuation (and obviously capitalization!) don't bother me unless i can't figure out what is being said. i'm sorry you feel as though you were being "attacked," but you weren't.

[TheForceCHP]

not a matter of slamming you. i don't like when quotes are taken from different posts(different sources for that matter).

grammar and punctuation, LOL, this is the internet and i don't care that much. if you have to attack that then you have nothing better to say. i write hundreds of pages a year in school and i don't care that much what you think about my internet writing

they weren't different sources, just different posts. i am completely stupid to html, so unless someone teaches me otherwise, i guess i'll just continue to annoy! i could say, "this is the internet and i don't care that much," but that would be rude, haha... fact is, i'm just ignorant in that arena!

proper grammar and punctuation (and obviously capitalization!) don't bother me unless i can't figure out what is being said. i'm sorry you feel as though you were being "attacked," but you weren't.

i will try and make this my last post, because this really isn't worth it anymore unless this topic goes back where it started at.

they where different posts and that is what i said. the part in () was to comment that i don't like when things are misquoted period, and was not a reference to this topic but a general opinion about how i feel