CTC II-07 Begins!

[Mom]

Well, the 190 cadets are 90 mins into their first day. I wish them all the best!

[Mac]

...and right about now there are 190 minds thinking "What in the hell have I gotten myself into???" :badgrin:


Best of luck to CTC II-07. Hang tough and suck it up.

[gabriel]

...and right about now there are 190 minds thinking "What in the hell have I gotten myself into???" :badgrin:


Best of luck to CTC II-07. Hang tough and suck it up.

Godspeed to all!

[iluvmyofficer]

No news is good news, right?
My husband is in CTC II-07, when should I expect to hear from him?
My stomach is in knotts, and I've been so nervous for him all day. :sad:
I've heard that cadets aren't given any phone privledges the first few weeks, but they can call on Wednesdays. Is that true?:think:

[Mom]

No news is good news, right?
My husband is in CTC II-07, when should I expect to hear from him?
My stomach is in knotts, and I've been so nervous for him all day. :sad:
I've heard that cadets aren't given any phone privledges the first few weeks, but they can call on Wednesdays. Is that true?:think:At the orientation it was said they would have cell phone privs from 8-9 pm on week nights.

Snowdog, can we combine this with the CTC II-07 Begins thread?

[dw]

No news is good news, right?
My husband is in CTC II-07, when should I expect to hear from him?
My stomach is in knotts, and I've been so nervous for him all day. :sad:
I've heard that cadets aren't given any phone privledges the first few weeks, but they can call on Wednesdays. Is that true?:think:

At the orientation it was said they would have cell phone privs from 8-9 pm on week nights.

Snowdog, can we combine this with the CTC II-07 Begins thread?When they are given cell phone privileges, it will be from 8-9 PM, but they likely won't get that privilege the first week.

[Box's Girl]

I was expecting to hear from my cadet considering it was day one and I had also heard they didnt have cell phones the first week. But I did get a call from him at about 8:30 he sounded very worn out, told me it was going ok and that these 7 months were going to be crazy. I just told him that it would all be fine and remind him of everything we will get at the end. So I guess so far so good he kept it really short about 10 mins. saying he had a lot to do but 10 mins was better than nothing I was able to sleep in peace knowing he was fine~

[Stargrl]

I was expecting to hear from my cadet considering it was day one and I had also heard they didnt have cell phones the first week. But I did get a call from him at about 8:30 he sounded very worn out, told me it was going ok and that these 7 months were going to be crazy. I just told him that it would all be fine and remind him of everything we will get at the end. So I guess so far so good he kept it really short about 10 mins. saying he had a lot to do but 10 mins was better than nothing I was able to sleep in peace knowing he was fine~

hey you new wives/so's, hang in there! we have a small but good support group going, it's great to build relationships with what will hopefully be future fellow wives of officers! Who knows where we'll all end up for that first year :biggrin: The first few weeks are hard for cadets and wives alike, but support from home is so crucial for success at the academy. I don't think it actually gets easier, but as Mac said before, the cadets get harder; and for those at home, you adjust to the new lifestyle fairly quickly. The time really does fly by, and it is so worth it in the end. Anyways, best of luck to all the new cadets and their families!

[rayni]

hey you new wives/so's, hang in there! we have a small but good support group going, it's great to build relationships with what will hopefully be future fellow wives of officers! Who knows where we'll all end up for that first year :biggrin: The first few weeks are hard for cadets and wives alike, but support from home is so crucial for success at the academy. I don't think it actually gets easier, but as Mac said before, the cadets get harder; and for those at home, you adjust to the new lifestyle fairly quickly. The time really does fly by, and it is so worth it in the end. Anyways, best of luck to all the new cadets and their families!

:biggrin: like my girl STARGRL said there is a small but good support group we have going on so feel free to connect to either one of us because we really mean what we say in offering a support group.:cool: your cadet will need to know you are ok w/ the process it takes to be a CHP OFFICER so just say you are don't be one of those ultimatum kinda wives as to cheat your cadet of this oppurtunity. with all of the support & the lingo that goes w/ the academy it is nice to talk to those that get it. keep smiling we are in week 12 right now boy is that nice to say you'll get there too.

[dw]

Hmmm.... Cadet has no cell phone privileges but places roommates outside to watch for Staff Officers while he makes a call to nervous family. Nervous family member appreciates knowing Cadet is okay and returns favor by documenting said phone call for the world to see. Staff Office does some homework and identifies Cadet. Luckily Cadet has the sense to be honest when questioned and rather than being fired, gets away with being the center of attention for the next few months. :tape:

Food for thought.

If they got cell phone privileges the first day, then I stand corrected. It would be a first.

[Mom]

Hmmm.... Cadet has no cell phone privileges but places roommates outside to watch for Staff Officers while he makes a call to nervous family. Nervous family member appreciates knowing Cadet is okay and returns favor by documenting said phone call for the world to see. Staff Office does some homework and identifies Cadet. Luckily Cadet has the sense to be honest when questioned and rather than being fired, gets away with being the center of attention for the next few months. :tape:

Food for thought.

If they got cell phone privileges the first day, then I stand corrected. It would be a first.
I specifically asked the sargent at the orientation if they would have phone privs from the first day, and he had said they should and that it would be from 8-9 only so to keep the phone avail. then.

[bcjack]

Congratulations to all that have started on their journey...:biggrin:

I would suggest that friends, family, and significant others heed what dw posted. The WORST thing your Cadet could be is the center of attention in their journey.

good luck and take it "One Day At a Time"!!!!!!:cool:

[iluvmyofficer]

Here's another question i've heard mixed answers for... Do they get Wednesday night liberties the first 2 weeks? 2 said yes, 1 said no:noidea:

I think in some ways it would be better the first week not to, you know just to keep focused.
I'm going to be in Sac for work anyway, so maybe I'll hang out late in town to see if he calls and wants to go to dinner.

[dw]

If they got cell phone privileges the first day, then I stand corrected. It would be a first.I meant that it would be a first that they got the privilege the first day, by the way, not the first time I stand corrected. (Too many of those to count!) :wink:

I couldn't hear the questions when they were being asked, but I remember being confused about the way the cell phone thing was presented.

[webfoots]

They've been letting (more like making) cadets use their cell phones on pick-up day night the last two classes. We were also able to make trips to the parking lot to drag in all the stuff we didn't carry around all morning. All part of the warmer and friendlier Camp Snoopy...

Unless things changed from IV-06 and I-07, no Wednesday liberty on week one.

[dw]

All part of the warmer and friendlier Camp Snoopy...No kidding... No comment. :tape:

[Mom]

They've been letting (more like making) cadets use their cell phones on pick-up day night the last two classes. We were also able to make trips to the parking lot to drag in all the stuff we didn't carry around all morning. All part of the warmer and friendlier Camp Snoopy...

Unless things changed from IV-06 and I-07, no Wednesday liberty on week one.It was my understanding talking to someone that they are trying to include the families more to cut the attrition rates. And yes to no liberty on the first Wed.

I really appreciated the new family orientation. I think it will give the families a better understanding of what the cadets are going thru and how better to support them. While some of the "old school" may say they give too much away (and I did hear that at the orientation :wink: ) this may be better in the long run for the CHP overall, by decreasing the attrition, and therefore cutting costs. Its not cheap to pay these guys for weeks/months then having them quit/get cut after this investment. I think often families, not knowing what is happening, or why it is happening, soften the cadet. Whereas by knowing what is happening, families can help more by not interfering. If the SOs know all that was explained on Saturday, I think they can better assist and understand. It is easier to visualize now knowing what they are going thru.

Having had other family members already make it thru (some long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away...) I think what I see of this is significantly better.

And I liked how the sergeant handled the question regarding "hazing". I could understand the persons concern re:hazing, as it does seem like that is what it could be construed as. By allowing the families to be there, show them what was happening and where, they were able to show and explain why things happen. I also liked the wives perspectives. They presented very well.

I wish I had known you were there DW!! Would have loved to have said hi and meet you!

[Stargrl]

They've been letting (more like making) cadets use their cell phones on pick-up day night the last two classes. We were also able to make trips to the parking lot to drag in all the stuff we didn't carry around all morning. All part of the warmer and friendlier Camp Snoopy...

Unless things changed from IV-06 and I-07, no Wednesday liberty on week one.

My husband was told to call me the first night so that we could agree on elections he had to make the next day for medical insurance, dental, etc. However, he certainly wasn't in the mood to say much more than, "Hi. This is Hell. Bye." That's from CTC-I-07, and the wives of previous classes were quite surprised because their spouses classes weren't given phone liberty until after the 1st week.

As far as Wednesday liberty, I wouldn't plan on it happening. CTC-I-07 didn't get it until the next week-- that is, the cadets who hadn't gigged it bye-bye!

[Mac]

No kidding... No comment. :tape:
+1.

[rayni]

i don't know if it is softer camp snoopy but maybe a more family friendly orientation of what camp snoopy would be like for your cadet. i like the idea of it being a RIGHT OF PASSAGE per say then to think of any bit of it as a "hazing". my hubby went throught marine corp boot camp & never thought of that as hazing. when we did the family orientation i will never forget what the officer said about the younger generation having a this "sense of entitlement" which is why some chose to quit early on maybe the beds not soft enough or they don't like the food:lol: if the cadet wants it regardless if you as a family member toured the academy or not the cadet is gonna keep on keepin on. like i said plenty of times i keep that recruit hiring pack near by and reference it alot to know what they expect from him pt, gear, & the rest. everyone is treated just the same yelled out, pushed harder, & expected to give %110 they all will have highs & lows. it's our job just to support them & not let them give in to the moment of wanting to quit because that is all it is just a moment.

[Mom]

i don't know if it is softer camp snoopy but maybe a more family friendly orientation of what camp snoopy would be like for your cadet. i like the idea of it being a RIGHT OF PASSAGE per say then to think of any bit of it as a "hazing". my hubby went throught marine corp boot camp & never thought of that as hazing. I wouldn't classify either as hazing. I've seen hazing, and what happens in both groups is for a purpose. Hazing is simply to demoralize. There are the same type of thoughts in the military, that the current Marine bootcamp is "soft" compared to "the old days." I know a retired officer who thought moving the Academy from Mather was "softening". Its all about perspective. And in the end, it is what the CHP finds works best to get the best for their money.

if the cadet wants it regardless if you as a family member toured the academy or not the cadet is gonna keep on keepin on.I agree to an extent. I don't think the tour itself is the only reason, but I do think it gives the family a better sense of what and why things are happening. Family stress can add to the cadets stress exponentially. If the families have a better idea what is happening, they can help reduce the stress from home (nothing will reduce the stress of the Academy.)

[CHPwannaBE]

i don't know if it is softer camp snoopy but maybe a more family friendly orientation of what camp snoopy would be like for your cadet. i like the idea of it being a RIGHT OF PASSAGE per say then to think of any bit of it as a "hazing". my hubby went throught marine corp boot camp & never thought of that as hazing. when we did the family orientation i will never forget what the officer said about the younger generation having a this "sense of entitlement" which is why some chose to quit early on maybe the beds not soft enough or they don't like the food:lol: if the cadet wants it regardless if you as a family member toured the academy or not the cadet is gonna keep on keepin on. like i said plenty of times i keep that recruit hiring pack near by and reference it alot to know what they expect from him pt, gear, & the rest. everyone is treated just the same yelled out, pushed harder, & expected to give %110 they all will have highs & lows. it's our job just to support them & not let them give in to the moment of wanting to quit because that is all it is just a moment.

Is revising what you wrote too much to ask? Use the same grammar skills on here that you would in the classroom please.

[rayni]

Is revising what you wrote too much to ask? Use the same grammar skills on here that you would in the classroom please.

not a student like you that has been awhile :biggrin: not sure if "my grammar skills" take away from my post at all. how about after i'm done you grade me ok?:lol:

[snowdog]

Is revising what you wrote too much to ask? Use the same grammar skills on here that you would in the classroom please.
And don't forget to raise your hand and ask permission to speak.

[rayni]

And don't forget to raise your hand and ask permission to speak.

:lol: sir yes sir!

[Mom]

Is revising what you wrote too much to ask? Use the same grammar skills on here that you would in the classroom please.:::looking around::: What classroom? The OP is not a cadet or a student. While I too prefer proper grammar, it did not detract from the post in question.

[ber]

Many would say it has gotten softer. My father in law said when he went through no women were allowed in and there were also height requirements. haha Things have changed.

[gabriel]

I'm currently working (in I.T.) with a gentleman who tried to become a cop in the 60s and he wasn't able to due to his height - he looks 5 feet tall.

[Mom]

Snowdog, do you have an update on the head count? I know it was supposed to be 190, but they had 1 no show? And no one had walked as of Wed AM? Do you know the number of males and females?

[snowdog]

I did hear aboout the no-show but haven't received a head count yet. I should have something by Friday and I'll let you all know how things are progressing.

[jjkings]

It is hard to believe there are no shows. Even worse there are others ready to go, who would love to have a seat. I suspect that most of the time if some one does not show up there is a major event that prevented them from attending. If some one does not show, can they receive another invite in the future?

[SB 405]

It is hard to believe there are no shows. Even worse there are others ready to go, who would love to have a seat. I suspect that most of the time if some one does not show up there is a major event that prevented them from attending. If some one does not show, can they receive another invite in the future?


You mean a major event...... like FEAR?

[snowdog]

It is hard to believe there are no shows. I suspect that most of the time if some one does not show up there is a major event that prevented them from attending. If some one does not show, can they receive another invite in the future?
CTC I-07 had two no shows. One was FEAR/ANXIETY/REALITY CHECK. The other was such a knucklehead move that I can't even say because the response is always "WHAT!!!". But, it was no major event. That applicant had to start everything all over again and is once again in backgrounds. He won't be making that mistake again.

[Mom]

CTC I-07 had two no shows. One was FEAR/ANXIETY/REALITY CHECK. The other was such a knucklehead move that I can't even say because the response is always "WHAT!!!". But, it was no major event. That applicant had to start everything all over again and is once again in backgrounds. He won't be making that mistake again.The first one I can partially understand, they may really have had no clue what was going to happen, and when the orientation came around, they went "I signed up for WHAT???"

The second one, I am just guessing at the reasons and wonder if the couple ideas I came up with, if they would make it thru the academy anyway... First that comes to mind is they thought 730pm show up!

[snowdog]

The first one I can partially understand, they may really have had no clue what was going to happen, and when the orientation came around, they went "I signed up for WHAT???"

The second one, I am just guessing at the reasons and wonder if the couple ideas I came up with, if they would make it thru the academy anyway... First that comes to mind is they thought 730pm show up!

The first one didn't even attend an orientation. The light bulb just went on while he was on his way to the Academy, made a u-turn and went home.
I have no doubt the other will make it through the Academy, it was just a knucklehead move that he acknowledges and he is thankful that he is getting another shot. And he knew very well what time he was supposed to be there.

[Blind Sniper]

Ease up there on grammar and speling CHPwannabe ...:badgrin: Rayni is a cadets wife/ significant other. You shouldn't be so HARSH! Especially with all the help she gives others on this board.

[Blind Sniper]

YES.... I misspelled "SPELLING" too!

[Mom]

I have no doubt the other will make it through the Academy, it was just a knucklehead move that he acknowledges and he is thankful that he is getting another shot. And he knew very well what time he was supposed to be there.Interesting... Hopefully he doesn't have other knuckleheaded moves. I am glad he is being given a second chance. Its too bad he had to have this learning experience, but at least he has learned from it.

[Mom]

Ease up there on grammar and speling CHPwannabe ...:badgrin: Rayni is a cadets wife/ significant other. You shouldn't be so HARSH! Especially with all the help she gives others on this board.I totally agree. She is a paradigm of a cadets SO. She provides so much support to other SOs. If I was a cadets SO I would definately look to her for advice! But she seems strong enough to handle this little attack :wink:

[snowdog]

I totally agree. She is a paradigm of a cadets SO. She provides so much support to other SOs. If I was a cadets SO I would definately look to her for advice! But she seems strong enough to handle this little attack :wink:
Thats great, now I have to break out my dikchunaree :smile:
Isn't that a couple of guys who dig fence post holes?

[iluvmyofficer]

Ok, heres what I heard. Cadet 190 showed, and left before even signing in. one cadets SO was hanging out in the parking and saw him climb in his car with his suitcase and drive away.

[Mom]

Thats great, now I have to break out my dikchunaree :smile:
Isn't that a couple of guys who dig fence post holes?Thats the alternative meaning. Sometimes it means an outstanding example.

[rayni]

I totally agree. She is a paradigm of a cadets SO. She provides so much support to other SOs. If I was a cadets SO I would definately look to her for advice! But she seems strong enough to handle this little attack :wink:

Ease up there on grammar and speling CHPwannabe ...:badgrin: Rayni is a cadets wife/ significant other. You shouldn't be so HARSH! Especially with all the help she gives others on this board.

WOW :redface: took off to have some time w/ my cadet & came back to see awesome compliments THANK YOU BOTH. I'm glad to see MOM recognize I'm strong enough to handle that ball thrown at me from left field.:lol: Blind Sniper thank you as well for pointing out the help I try to extend to the spouses/SO. NOW if I remember right isn't this thread about those lucky GUYS/GALS of CTCII-07?:think:

[Blind Sniper]

Well STATED Rayni.... YES, indeed it is about CTC II 07.

My wife and I will need your support and wealth of knowledge when I 'hopefully" start CTC III 07 in October. :biggrin:

I have my Fingers crossed!

Good Luck to all who started the Academy on Monday. HANG IN THERE!
And remember

"PAIN is merely WEAKNESS leaving the Body"!!!

[CHPwannaBE]

I totally agree. She is a paradigm of a cadets SO. She provides so much support to other SOs. If I was a cadets SO I would definately look to her for advice! But she seems strong enough to handle this little attack :wink:

You consider constructive criticism an attack? WOW. Mom please learn what this is. I was trying to reiterate what DW and some other forum moderators have stated in the past which was to use the same punctuations skills you do at work or anywhere for that matter. Even though this a public forum it shouldn't give you a sense to be lazy. I am asking you not to take offense to this post because it didn't seem as though you were able take in my last one with an open mind. And the real reason I am here is to wish all current cadets the best of luck. I will be right behind you.

[rayni]

You consider constructive criticism an attack? WOW. Mom please learn what this is. I was trying to reiterate what DW and some other forum moderators have stated in the past which was to use the same punctuations skills you do at work or anywhere for that matter. Even though this a public forum it shouldn't give you a sense to be lazy. I am asking you not to take offense to this post because it didn't seem as though you were able take in my last one with an open mind. And the real reason I am here is to wish all current cadets the best of luck. I will be right behind you.
:hitwall: wow now i'm lazy? who are you kidding w/ both post? dw hasn't stepped in to correct my laziness. how about if you want to correct me you pm me w/ this "constructive criticism" ok? wow think it's time to open mouth insert foot right about now:lol: did you read mom's post or were you to busy being defensive than "open minded" haha? AGAIN HARSH !!!!! MOM I THINK YOU'RE STRONG ENOUGH AS WELL!!!!

[Mom]

You consider constructive criticism an attack? WOW. Mom, please learn what this is. I was trying to reiterate what DW and -some- (removed as an excessive word) other forum moderators have stated in the past, which was to use the same punctuations skills you do at work, or anywhere for that matter. Even though this is a public forum, it shouldn't give you a sense to be lazy. I am asking you not to take offense to this post, because it didn't seem as though you were able take in my last one with an open mind. -And- (removed as an excessive word) The real reason I am here is to wish all current cadets the best of luck. I will be right behind you.Thank you for clarifying your motives. Good luck with your endeavors. Hopefully, after you graduate, you will be joining the academy also.

[Mom]

:hitwall: wow now i'm lazy? who are you kidding w/ both post? dw hasn't stepped in to correct my laziness. how about if you want to correct me you pm me w/ this "constructive criticism" ok? wow think it's time to open mouth insert foot right about now:lol: did you read mom's post or were you to busy being defensive than "open minded" haha? AGAIN HARSH !!!!! MOM I THINK YOU'RE STRONG ENOUGH AS WELL!!!!Having raised 4 kids into adulthood, having dealt with school districts over special education issues, dealing daily with disability issues (no, I am not disabled,) and having dealt with more issues than days Wannabe has been alive, I have grown a very thick skin. I am sure if a moderator had an issue, they would have stepped in.

Now, back on topic. From past posts, I believe CTC II-07 should have started PT today! Now they will know if they have been physically prepared for this. I am smiling, as I know they have worked hard. I have heard (nothing from a cadet) that they have bonded well as a unit. I think the dinner the night before may have helped!!

[23112]

Ahhhh, meeting the PT Staff...brings back some lovely memories (and laughs that happened a long time afterward while we were safely tucked away in our rooms)! I think meeting the PT Staff is a great, esteem-building process. If you've never been called "fat" a day in your life, you probably will end up being labeled a quitter, lazy, or weak that first day. And if you have struggled with a few extra pounds, be prepared for that to be broadcast across the gym by some angry PT-machines. :biggrin: Just remember, the threat of public humiliation is a great motivator.

[SB 405]

What a way to go through life....Fat-n-Nasty :biggrin:

[Mom]

If you've never been called "fat" a day in your life, you probably will end up being labeled a quitter, lazy, or weak that first day. And if you have struggled with a few extra pounds, be prepared for that to be broadcast across the gym by some angry PT-machines. :biggrin: Just remember, the threat of public humiliation is a great motivator.Just out of curiousity, and none of the cadets I know in either class fit this, what happens when the "PT-Machines" run into a cadet that is physically fit and fully capable of doing everything that is thrown at them? There is bound to have been 1 in the past eon that went "This is supposed to be hard?? Mind if I do another 200 pushups or another mile? It's not what I am used to..."

[Stargrl]

Thank you for clarifying your motives. Good luck with your endeavors. Hopefully, after you graduate, you will be joining the academy also.

:cool: Oh, Mom, you remind me of my 8th grade English teacher! Just when I would get uppity enough to think I knew everything, back would come a paper peppered with red marks. Of course, this is the teacher that instilled a great love for literature and proper grammar!

[iluvmyofficer]

mom- I would hope that even if they were at that point physically (which would be awesome), that they would be smart enough not to push any PT staff buttons!:shock: I'm sure the PT-Machines feed off of that, and would eat them for dinner.:badgrin:
I'm afraid their numbers are going to drop a little today and tomorrow after the pork run. Glad I'm here safe at home:biggrin:

[Mom]

mom- I would hope that even if they were at that point physically (which would be awesome), that they would be smart enough not to push any PT staff buttons!:shock: I'm sure the PT-Machines feed off of that, and would eat them for dinner.:badgrin:
I'm afraid their numbers are going to drop a little today and tomorrow after the pork run. Glad I'm here safe at home:biggrin:I've seen a somewhat similar situation, where the person stated "That was easy" and yes, they become dinner. Or they get their entire company angry as they then hear "Did you hear that! XYZ says this was easy. We want to make sure he gets a GOOD workout! Let's go on another run!"

I hope the numbers don't drop. I hope they pull together and coach each other to get through this also.

[lilgordo78]

Hello new guys! I just want to kinda give a little advise. I am not sure if anyone has said this, but just make sure you don't give out too much information on these forums. It really can come back and bite your cadet. As well as anyone in the current CTC-I-07, don't give out all info about PT and things like that. I know my husband who just graduated on June 15, told me that I can help other people out by talking to them but some stuff the cadets need to find out for themselfs and that is what staff told them. So just a little advise.... You can take it or leave it... but just know.. you don't want to draw attention to your cadet! They need to be in the "MIDDLE" ha ha

[23112]

Just out of curiousity, and none of the cadets I know in either class fit this, what happens when the "PT-Machines" run into a cadet that is physically fit and fully capable of doing everything that is thrown at them? There is bound to have been 1 in the past eon that went "This is supposed to be hard?? Mind if I do another 200 pushups or another mile? It's not what I am used to..."

Good question, Mom. PT is definitely less hard for some than it is for others. Thus, those folks will definitely get less attention. They'll still get yelled at part of the group, and they'll still be critiqued in a moment of weakness or sloppiness. The PT Staff is in pretty incredible shape, though, because they work out for a living.

[Mac]

Just out of curiousity, and none of the cadets I know in either class fit this, what happens when the "PT-Machines" run into a cadet that is physically fit and fully capable of doing everything that is thrown at them?
Hmmm, let's see....1 Cadet, 4 or 5 PT instructors....I imagine that they could collectively come up with a workout hard enough for anybody who thought it was too easy and they weren't getting their money's worth.... :think:

[CHP 11-99]

Snowdog, do you have an update on the head count? I know it was supposed to be 190, but they had 1 no show? And no one had walked as of Wed AM? Do you know the number of males and females?


I thought CII-07 was going to be 240 cadets. Every law enforcement agency in the Bay Area is hiring, but I am surprised that the CHP can still have 190 cadets.

As for me, it's all about CHP or nothing else:biggrin:

[Mom]

I thought CII-07 was going to be 240 cadets. Every law enforcement agency in the Bay Area is hiring, but I am surprised that the CHP can still have 190 cadets.

As for me, it's all about CHP or nothing else:biggrin:They keep saying 240, but from watching these boards, it appears they were working until the last minute to get 190 qualified. Then they had 1 no show Monday(well, they showed, but thought better of it and left.) Yesterday was the start of PT. They generally lose 2-3 the first day of that. I'm waiting on Snowdog to update us with numbers. Then we will see who walks away Sunday. I really hope they can band together and keep the attrition rate low for this class.

[23109]

Thursday was their PT orientation...today is their first actual PT day. Good times those.

The parades...the rooster....ah yes the memories.

[lovin'life]

Hmmm.... Cadet has no cell phone privileges but places roommates outside to watch for Staff Officers while he makes a call to nervous family. Nervous family member appreciates knowing Cadet is okay and returns favor by documenting said phone call for the world to see. Staff Office does some homework and identifies Cadet. Luckily Cadet has the sense to be honest when questioned and rather than being fired, gets away with being the center of attention for the next few months. :tape:

Food for thought.

If they got cell phone privileges the first day, then I stand corrected. It would be a first.

Back in the day (on the old msg board) a wife posted what the cadets were reviewing and even listed the spanish content - to say the least the office staff was not happy and her cadet/husband came home with a few words of wisdom for her..... I am sure it wasn't a happy weekend:doh:
none-the-less, she is now an Officer also :biggrin:

[RA]

Well 1 week down, 26 to go!

FYI we started with 189, it was supposed to be 190, but one did not show up the first day. We went 3 full days without losing 1 person. 1 person left Thursday during the PT break in... I guess they couldn't stand the very nice :confused: PT Welcome! Then today we lost 2 people during the middle of the first real PT. I think one from each company was lost. So that brings us to a total of 186.

Thats it for now, probably will post next weekend if anything interesting happens :wink:

[AaeJae]

Fun week. Can't wait for more pain. We will all get it. PT sucked. Instructors are awesome. Staff is scary. We were allowed to use cell phones. We have a lot of homework. The staff was amazed we kept all of us for so long. We had one injury and I believe two left. They gave reasons, but I am not sure I should post them.

OORAH!

[Mac]

...They gave reasons, but I am not sure I should post them...
Sometimes it's a case of the less said, the better. Some things are better experienced than explained.

[IrishJoe]

Fun week. Can't wait for more pain. We will all get it. PT sucked. Instructors are awesome. Staff is scary. We were allowed to use cell phones. We have a lot of homework. The staff was amazed we kept all of us for so long. We had one injury and I believe two left. They gave reasons, but I am not sure I should post them.

OORAH!

:biggrin: LOL! Very well put...that sums up the entire week very well. Rough week...was not much fun. I agree with you that the instructors are awesome!

This morning I woke up rather sore (all over), but come Sunday night...I will be back at Camp CHP.

IrishJoe

[PiP]

Oorah!!!!

[chpsto]

Stay motivated!!! Pain is weakness leaving the body!!

Don't worry about the first week attrition or let that get you down. Non hackers have been walking from that Academy since the beginning of time. The program is doing its job. Better they find out now than when some serious stuff is going down in the field and the consequences are real.

Yesterday was absolutely crazy in our Area. Must've been a full moon. So, you guys hang in there and that 27 weeks will be over in no time. We need you to graduate and we'll have plenty o fun waiting for you out here. :biggrin:

[askinforit]

i think the smileys say it all for the week.....:shock: :think: :lol: :doh: :doh: :doh: :hitwall: :tape: :sad: :question: :noidea:. now im off to study. ooh rah!

[IrishJoe]

i think the smileys say it all for the week.....:shock: :think: :lol: :doh: :doh: :doh: :hitwall: :tape: :sad: :question: :noidea:. now im off to study. ooh rah!

No, I think there should be a few more :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::doh::hitwall::doh::doh ::redface::hitwall:

[askinforit]

i believe that :hitwall: is after the pt runs

[IrishJoe]

i believe that :hitwall: is after the pt runs

Yeah..though the expression on this guy pretty much summed the way I felt....:redface:

[gabriel]

All I know is, after this PAT today [which as the chief put it, is a joke compared to the academy] I can only say Good luck to you all and know that you are serving as inspiration for folks like me who still need to keep running to get where we need to be.

Cheers!

[Mom]

All I know is, after this PAT today [which as the chief put it, is a joke compared to the academy] I can only say Good luck to you all and know that you are serving as inspiration for folks like me who still need to keep running to get where we need to be.

Cheers!I have a feeling the guys and gals from CTC I and II -07 will agree with the chief that the PAT is a joke compared to the academy.

[AaeJae]

A big fat super joke.

[dw]

(I moved the PT discussion into a new thread under the Hiring section)

[cg+fd2chp]

IrishJoe, how is it compared to military boot camp?

[IrishJoe]

IrishJoe, how is it compared to military boot camp?

In boot camp we had more channels on the TV than we do at Camp CHP. Though the feather bed here sure beats the one I had at Basic....

[osiris]

In boot camp we had more channels on the TV than we do at Camp CHP. Though the feather bed here sure beats the one I had at Basic....

I will take the comfy bed over more TV channels any day. No TV, must study. When it is time to sleep, a softer bed helps me fall asleep quickly.. when I am not sleeping and in class, I hope to be studying.

[FlyWhiteGuy]

When it is time to sleep, a softer bed helps me fall asleep quickly.. when I am not sleeping and in class, I hope to be studying.
Sleep? I don't see that anywhere on my training schedule :noidea:

[AaeJae]

Sleep? I don't see that anywhere on my training schedule :noidea:

Not on my schedule either. :noidea:

[Draxxus07]

Not on my schedule either. :noidea:

thats weird not on mine either...

[rayni]

T.V.? Who has time for T.V. let alone notice there is one? I showed the previous post & all my hubby could do was this :hitwall:. Silly guy all he has been doing is studying & training. Sleep what is this sleep you speak of?:lol:

[Pell123]

Since I need my beauty sleep, how much can I expect to get in the Academy each night? :wink:

[cg+fd2chp]

In boot camp we had more channels on the TV than we do at Camp CHP. Though the feather bed here sure beats the one I had at Basic....

Did you really have TV in Army boot camp?

[Mom]

Since I need my beauty sleep, how much can I expect to get in the Academy each night? :wink:If you need beauty sleep, you better start stocking up. You won't be getting it there.

Your sleep will depend on how fast you get your "stuff" done.

[osiris]

If you need beauty sleep, you better start stocking up. You won't be getting it there.

Your sleep will depend on how fast you get your "stuff" done.

Guess I won't be getting much sleep. Hopefully I can get the occasional nap? :noidea:

[AaeJae]

Guess I won't be getting much sleep. Hopefully I can get the occasional nap? :noidea:

LOL. You can get your nap in shining your boots and your brass in one hand and ironing your shirts in the other.

[osiris]

LOL. You can get your nap in shining your boots and your brass in one hand and ironing your shirts in the other.

gah... :hitwall:

[osiris]

Would they notice if I fell asleep in class wearing sunglasses :cool: :question: :biggrin: jk

[Mac]

The sleep you get at the Academy can be a DREAM compared to what you'll sometimes get once you're on the job. Try working graveyard shift, then staying awake and going to court at 0800 after shift, spending all day in court in a jury trial, getting maybe a couple hours of sleep before going back to work for graveyard shift that night. If you're lucky, that trial wasn't continued until the next day and/or you won't get a late call that keeps you beyond the end of shift that following morning....and hopefully you don't have another subpoena for a traffic court case at 1000 or 1330.

And no - there's no "nappy time" at the Academy.

[askinforit]

unless you count those guys standing up in the back of class during 4 hours of vc

[RA]

unless you count those guys standing up in the back of class during 4 hours of vc

You mean 1/2 the class standing up in the back?

[IrishJoe]

Did you really have TV in Army boot camp?

Um...no. That was sarcasm.

[bcjack]

Would they notice if I fell asleep in class wearing sunglasses :cool: :question: :biggrin: jk

They WOULD notice...Then you would be VERY UNHAPPY!!!:badgrin:

[osiris]

The sleep you get at the Academy can be a DREAM compared to what you'll sometimes get once you're on the job. Try working graveyard shift, then staying awake and going to court at 0800 after shift, spending all day in court in a jury trial, getting maybe a couple hours of sleep before going back to work for graveyard shift that night. If you're lucky, that trial wasn't continued until the next day and/or you won't get a late call that keeps you beyond the end of shift that following morning....and hopefully you don't have another subpoena for a traffic court case at 1000 or 1330.

And no - there's no "nappy time" at the Academy.

I don't want this job so I can sleep... if I wanted to sleep I would be going after a different job.:smile:

[bcjack]

I don't want this job so I can sleep... if I wanted to sleep I would be going after a different job.:smile:

Like????

[osiris]

Like????

Err true.. I was going to go into IT prior to choosing the CHP path. The midnight calls that a server has gone down or a network switch has stopped functioning would prevent sleep too :hitwall:

[23112]

I will take the comfy bed over more TV channels any day. No TV, must study. When it is time to sleep, a softer bed helps me fall asleep quickly.. when I am not sleeping and in class, I hope to be studying.

Awwwww, how cute that osiris believed that there are comfy beds at the Academy! :lol: Be prepared to be uncomfortable for six months while you're at Camp Snoopy. The beds have been well-used by many, many cadets--the result is a mattress that feels like its stuffed with rolled-up socks. :smile: And the sheets...my roommates and I used to joke about who got the "blood sheets" for the week. I don't know where those sheets come from, but one of us usually got a sheet with blood stains on it and surmised that they were hospital surplus. Ironically, I saw one of the Academy-brand sheets at a fatal collision last week being used to cover a dead guy. LAPD was first on scene, followed by LAFD--one of them covered the guy up. Maybe that's where the Academy gets its sheets...the LA County Coroner's morgue. :lol: But don't worry, Osiris, you'll be so tired at the Academy that you'll be thankful for a five-minute nap on your desk or underneath your rack.

[Dodger Fan]

Awwwww, how cute that osiris believed that there are comfy beds at the Academy! :lol: Be prepared to be uncomfortable for six months while you're at Camp Snoopy. The beds have been well-used by many, many cadets--the result is a mattress that feels like its stuffed with rolled-up socks. :smile: And the sheets...my roommates and I used to joke about who got the "blood sheets" for the week. I don't know where those sheets come from, but one of us usually got a sheet with blood stains on it and surmised that they were hospital surplus. Ironically, I saw one of the Academy-brand sheets at a fatal collision last week being used to cover a dead guy. LAPD was first on scene, followed by LAFD--one of them covered the guy up. Maybe that's where the Academy gets its sheets...the LA County Coroner's morgue. :lol: But don't worry, Osiris, you'll be so tired at the Academy that you'll be thankful for a five-minute nap on your desk or underneath your rack.

Once I had the sensors that they stick on your chest for EKGs on my sheets. Bonus!:biggrin:

[23109]

Awwwww, how cute that osiris believed that there are comfy beds at the Academy! :lol: Be prepared to be uncomfortable for six months while you're at Camp Snoopy. The beds have been well-used by many, many cadets--the result is a mattress that feels like its stuffed with rolled-up socks. :smile: And the sheets...my roommates and I used to joke about who got the "blood sheets" for the week. I don't know where those sheets come from, but one of us usually got a sheet with blood stains on it and surmised that they were hospital surplus. Ironically, I saw one of the Academy-brand sheets at a fatal collision last week being used to cover a dead guy. LAPD was first on scene, followed by LAFD--one of them covered the guy up. Maybe that's where the Academy gets its sheets...the LA County Coroner's morgue. :lol: But don't worry, Osiris, you'll be so tired at the Academy that you'll be thankful for a five-minute nap on your desk or underneath your rack.


I think one of us found a used bandaid stuck to our sheets, didn't we ?

[osiris]

Awwwww, how cute that osiris believed that there are comfy beds at the Academy! :lol: Be prepared to be uncomfortable for six months while you're at Camp Snoopy. The beds have been well-used by many, many cadets--the result is a mattress that feels like its stuffed with rolled-up socks. :smile: And the sheets...my roommates and I used to joke about who got the "blood sheets" for the week. I don't know where those sheets come from, but one of us usually got a sheet with blood stains on it and surmised that they were hospital surplus. Ironically, I saw one of the Academy-brand sheets at a fatal collision last week being used to cover a dead guy. LAPD was first on scene, followed by LAFD--one of them covered the guy up. Maybe that's where the Academy gets its sheets...the LA County Coroner's morgue. :lol: But don't worry, Osiris, you'll be so tired at the Academy that you'll be thankful for a five-minute nap on your desk or underneath your rack.

I got a 5 minute nap?!?!?! *is excited*:biggrin::biggrin:

[AaeJae]

Only had 1 drop this week. We have a lot of dedication in this class and I think that is what is keeping us going.

[Pell123]

Only had 1 drop this week. We have a lot of dedication in this class and I think that is what is keeping us going.

AaeJae, what was the cause of this weeks drop: injury, academics, stress?

Btw- how's the PT at this point? :think:

[rs]

AaeJae, what was the cause of this weeks drop: injury, academics, stress?

Btw- how's the PT at this point? :think:

if i may...

it wasn't an injury. it was his choice, only he knows the *real* reason, its not our business to guess.

pt is outstanding.

[rayni]

Only had 1 drop this week. We have a lot of dedication in this class and I think that is what is keeping us going.


That and the orientation the day before the start of CTC II-07 is what I was referring too. Those are not bad things.
I also learned what changes G-Man made reference to and was surprised but believe that those changes have a great deal with the drastically reduced attrition. Changes that I don't totally agree with but the changes are producing the results that HQ wants.
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this is from pg 12 CTC I-07 thread.:think:

[Melvin Eugene Punymeier]

I wonder what the changes are. I definitely hope they're not making things any easier. As someone who hopes to be going to the October class, I want to prove to myself that I can make it under the harshest of circumstances, just as all those who came before me did.

I also wouldn't want to be tagged as a guy who went through the academy when it wasn't as "tough" and have people wonder if some of those in my class (if I'm so fortunate) would have made it under the old standards.

Best wishes to all those in CTC II-07.

[cliu513]

What's the current cadet count?

[Mom]

What's the current cadet count?If I am correct, it's 184, down from 189.

[chpsto]

If I am correct, it's 184, down from 189.

This has got to be some kind of a record. I've never seen an attrition rate this low. Must be something in the water...

[cg+fd2chp]

or is the academy getting easier????:tape:

[Mom]

or is the academy getting easier????:tape:I don't think I would insult any class by saying that.

[G-Man]

I don't think I would insult any class by saying that.

I don't think it is an insult, it goes with the territory.

[luvduncan97]

This has got to be some kind of a record. I've never seen an attrition rate this low. Must be something in the water...

That is what the cadets keep hearing up there at the academy. CTC II-07 is holding strong! Way to go cadets!!!

[cg+fd2chp]

That is what the cadets keep hearing up there at the academy


That also could keep some of them going strong

[Mom]

I don't think it is an insult, it goes with the territory.True, I can't count the number of times I've heard how moving the academy in the 70s to its current site was a big "softening". "I remember back when..." I love sitting around listening to the stories of South Sac, and how it just isn't the same since. Every class will think the classes after them has it so much easier. Its just the way life works.

But when someone comes in before they have even gone to the academy and suggests something they haven't experienced is easier than a previous experience they haven't experienced, it's an insult.

[cg+fd2chp]

Not saying it is easier, just a possibility as to why the drop out rate is lower than previous classes.
It could just be a group of very determined individuals

[Mom]

Everyone heading to the academy (who walks thru the door at least) has the idea they will make it to the end. It takes a lot of dedication to make it through. I know people there whose wives have had babies and decided to leave as they felt a stronger dedication to the immediate family needs, and others who opted not to take the liberty to go home for a day or two to spend with the baby to stay so they don't miss a class, a stronger dedication to the long term family needs. Dedication. Everyone has their own sense of responsibilities. Each person who opts to resign has a reason. There are some that have difficulty with testing or get injured, and come back. Imagine something happening at week 20 and starting all over at week one, knowing everything you are going to get to re-experience. Dedication.

[pupdog]

Aside from the orientation for families the night before, maybie the hirigin process is getting better at catching more.

Everyone heading to the academy (who walks thru the door at least) has the idea they will make it to the end.
Mom- I showed up pretty sure I wasn't making it through. My family was supportive until I got accepted, then they FREAKED OUT. It snowballed from there once I got to the academy. The absolute WORST part of being there for me (and hoo-boy, was it bad!) was spotting my BI in the back of the gym on pickup day. Here was a guy who had met my family & thought it was all ok! I'd spoken to him on the phone 2 days before & said all was great...becasue my mom was in the room (how Jr. High!)!
So all you families poking around here, KEEP UP THAT SUPPORT!

[rayni]

If I am correct, it's 184, down from 189.
Having known cadets from CTC IV-06 & CTC I-07 compare notes they had the same experiences, but there were some "changes" w/ this class CTC II-07 as G-MAN & SNOWDOG brought to our attention in CTC 1-07 thread. Of course we won't know exactly what "changes" because wouldn't want to ruin the experience for all the classes to come.:wink: I think I find the insult to be that every class prior didn't come in w/ the same DETERMENATION /DEDICATION as the CTC II-07 because of course they did.

[Mom]

Mom- I showed up pretty sure I wasn't making it through. My family was supportive until I got accepted, then they FREAKED OUT. It snowballed from there once I got to the academy. The absolute WORST part of being there for me (and hoo-boy, was it bad!) was spotting my BI in the back of the gym on pickup day. Here was a guy who had met my family & thought it was all ok! I'd spoken to him on the phone 2 days before & said all was great...becasue my mom was in the room (how Jr. High!)!
So all you families poking around here, KEEP UP THAT SUPPORT!I think family support is a major issue. I know that the drive of the cadet really makes up the end result. But the cadet who doesn't have familial support has it much harder. When they complain about how hard it is, they get reminded they had been told this. When they need time to study, they get "But what about us?" When they need to be able to say "I so want to quit", they have someone right there saying "Quit and come home, you can find another job". They need to hear "Yes, it is hard, and you are better for it, and you have made it thru X weeks, and only have X weeks to go", adn "STUDY! We will talk over dinner, can I iron your shirts while you study or let me quiz you on xxx" and "You may want to quit right now, but you'll never forgive yourself for giving into this moment of temptation. This is only 27 weeks, for something you will enjoy the rest of your life. If it was easy, anyone could do it."

Dedication to one's own self is the most important thing. I think every class comes in with dedication and determination. But, not all come with the soul necessary. For some, it doesn't exist. They don't know that til they have been at the academy. It is there they learn that this specific job is not for them. I don't think of any as "quitters", they have just realized this job is not for them at this time. Some will realize they need more time to grow into this. And when they return as a "retread", they have a better idea, and probably more determination, as they know what they are facing, and they are now thinking "It's going to be even worse, because I am a retread, and more will be expected of me." I think I will pose a question about this, so here comes a new thread!!

[Mxrider]

I have been scanning this web-site for about a month now. My wife did some online research and found this web-site and let me know that it contained a lot of helpfull information that may help during the hiring process that I'm currently going through. I want to say thank you to all that helps us Cadet hopefulls before the academy and even through the academy. It nice to see that the CTC II-07 class has bonded as a team. I'm currently waiting for my Psych. interview and hopefully I can get passed that and look forward to recieving that letter letting me know that I have been accepted into the academy. I for one have been trying for a few years and this will be my last chance (because of age restrictions) that I will have. Hopefully if I'm given the chance for the October class we all can bond and help each other through the process. Sorry for going on and on but it is my first post.

[Mxrider]

Does anybody have the status of the current CTC II-07 head count? Hopefully all of them are hanging in there.

[SB 405]

I don't believe the class counts will be posted any longer.

[raemee]

I don't believe the class counts will be posted any longer.


Guess we'll just have to wait and see how many graduate :biggrin: