There's a big problem down south.

[CHPGuy]

http://www.break.com/index/united_states_border_patrol.html

[PapaBear]

Nothing new! In about 1985 I stopped a two-axle van W/B SR 60 near Archibald in the city of Ontario. Before I could get out of my unit, the back gate came up and approximately 100 people jumped and ran. We called for assistance and ended up locating 75 or so and turned them over to Immigration. Reason for the stop? The tail lights were out! :noidea:

[snowdog]

The Beny Hill music just made it so much more funnier. That was great!

[chpocd]

That made my day.

[AyatollahGondola]

I have a pretty good sense of humor, but I've lost it in relation to this subject. Mostly, if this type of crime hasn't touched your life profoundly, you can still laugh at things like this. I guess the creator of this little clip might have been expressing his frustration in a humorous way.

[IrishJoe]

thanks for posting, I laugh everytime I watch that!

-IJ

[CHPGuy]

Start "Flex-Cuffing"!

[chico.medic]

I counted 14..........I seem to remember another Medic telling me about a TC he went on involving a van full of migrant workers. No one was belted. 16 patients, 5 ejected, no one spoke English, and none of the emergency personnel spoke Spanish. 7 trauma teams, 5 Medi-vacs, and 4 ground ambulances. :doh:

[bcjack]

I counted 14..........I seem to remember another Medic telling me about a TC he went on involving a van full of migrant workers. No one was belted. 16 patients, 5 ejected, no one spoke English, and none of the emergency personnel spoke Spanish. 7 trauma teams, 5 Medi-vacs, and 4 ground ambulances. :doh:

And how much did that cost the taxpayers????:hitwall:

[chico.medic]

And how much did that cost the taxpayers????:hitwall:
Well, seeing as most Air/Ground ambulances are private companies, and rely on insurance payments, then collections after that for payment, I'm guessing the only tax issue would be weather or not those companies could write off those services rendered. Minus the cost of a fire response.......but we already pay for police/fire weather we use them or not. :think: That's a good question.:noidea:

[bcjack]

Well, seeing as most Air/Ground ambulances are private companies, and rely on insurance payments, then collections after that for payment, I'm guessing the only tax issue would be weather or not those companies could write off those services rendered. Minus the cost of a fire response.......but we already pay for police/fire whether we use them or not. :think: That's a good question.:noidea:



Like I asked...How much did that mess cost US??????????? (US are the taxpayers):hitwall: The fire response, law enforcement response, the non-payers at the hospital (subsidized by taxpayers). None of that stuff is FREE!!!!!!!:doh:

[chico.medic]

Like I asked...How much did that mess cost US??????????? (US are the taxpayers):hitwall: The fire response, law enforcement response, the non-payers at the hospital (subsidized by taxpayers). None of that stuff is FREE!!!!!!!:doh:

Oh, I totally agree, I never meant to give the impression that I didn't. But private payment aside.......and besides an ink jet cartridge and some printer paper for a fire or crash report, How much money are we really out? I mean, Fire and LE are subsidized by tax money, sure. But we still pay the same amount no mater what a day at the firehouse involves right? I mean, you can stay in quarters all shift and not turn a wheel, or you can run a 3 alarm structure fire. The fire will undoubtedly cost more (fuel, man hours, etc.) but it all comes out of the same fixed budget right?

[bcjack]

Oh, I totally agree, I never meant to give the impression that I didn't. But private payment aside.......and besides an ink jet cartridge and some printer paper for a fire or crash report, How much money are we really out? I mean, Fire and LE are subsidized by tax money, sure. But we still pay the same amount no mater what a day at the firehouse involves right? I mean, you can stay in quarters all shift and not turn a wheel, or you can run a 3 alarm structure fire. The fire will undoubtedly cost more (fuel, man hours, etc.) but it all comes out of the same fixed budget right?

True...But if the illegals were not here getting squashed, the US taxpayers would not be paying the hundreds of thousands of dollars on them. Keep in mind, WE pay for all of these sponges on society. The tons of money spent patching up these illegals is paid for by you and me in increased medical insurance payments, increased taxes and increased everything...:hitwall:

[snowdog]

True...But if the illegals were not here getting squashed, the US taxpayers would not be paying the hundreds of thousands of dollars on them. Keep in mind, WE pay for all of these sponges on society. The tons of money spent patching up these illegals is paid for by you and me in increased medical insurance payments, increased taxes and increased everything...:hitwall:
And when the LEGAL unemployed, welfare collecting, too lazy to get a job because thats how my family did it, wears a beany helmet because I want to be like Easy Rider and now I'm a vegetable, didn't finish high school because my baby's daddy wouldn't pay child support, drives without a license or insurance because the man is keeping me down gets squashed, are their medical bills any cheaper. Lets be realistsic and not put all the balme on illegals. Perhaps if we denied them all medical care we could use the money we save to build that big fence that will certainly keep them where they belong. There are plenty of LEGALS who are just as much a burden on my insurance and tax bills.

[23112]

And when the LEGAL unemployed, welfare collecting, too lazy to get a job because thats how my family did it, wears a beany helmet because I want to be like Easy Rider and now I'm a vegetable, didn't finish high school because my baby's daddy wouldn't pay child support, drives without a license or insurance because the man is keeping me down gets squashed, are their medical bills any cheaper. Lets be realistsic and not put all the balme on illegals. Perhaps if we denied them all medical care we could use the money we save to build that big fence that will certainly keep them where they belong. There are plenty of LEGALS who are just as much a burden on my insurance and tax bills.

I don't think anyone has tried to put "all the blame" on the illegals. While they are a burden, you're right to say that they are only one portion of the bigger picture: many, many "legal" citizens are wreaking havoc on society, as well. In fact, a lot of them seem to live in my lovely apartment complex. I love helping out my dead-beat neighbor stay home every day to watch TV and smoke weed. :rolleyes:

[chico.medic]

True...But if the illegals were not here getting squashed, the US taxpayers would not be paying the hundreds of thousands of dollars on them. Keep in mind, WE pay for all of these sponges on society. The tons of money spent patching up these illegals is paid for by you and me in increased medical insurance payments, increased taxes and increased everything...:hitwall:
Okay, so you are talking about past events leading to current budgets then?

And when the LEGAL unemployed, welfare collecting, too lazy to get a job because thats how my family did it, wears a beany helmet because I want to be like Easy Rider and now I'm a vegetable, didn't finish high school because my baby's daddy wouldn't pay child support, drives without a license or insurance because the man is keeping me down gets squashed, are their medical bills any cheaper. Lets be realistsic and not put all the balme on illegals. Perhaps if we denied them all medical care we could use the money we save to build that big fence that will certainly keep them where they belong. There are plenty of LEGALS who are just as much a burden on my insurance and tax bills.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Plenty of those in Butte County! I swear, I get so discouraged sometimes, only because when half of my overtime check goes to pay my company to give my, "I have toe pain, and I'm out of vicoden, and our 16 cars don't run, so I figured since I have Medi-cal, an ambulance would be cheaper than a taxi," patient a ride to the ER @ 3am.:hitwall:

[Mac]

...many, many "legal" citizens are wreaking havoc on society, as well. In fact, a lot of them seem to live in my lovely apartment complex. I love helping out my dead-beat neighbor stay home every day to watch TV and smoke weed. :rolleyes:
Two of my favorite bumper stickers:

"Work harder - millions on welfare depend on you!"

"Make welfare as hard to get as building permits" (often seen on construction trucks)

[AyatollahGondola]

I have way too much to say on this topic, so I'm just going to keep it simple:

The losses not mentioned here are not measured in cash. We are losing services that will never be replaced because of sheer numbers of people using them. It dilutes your worth, and your citizenship. It also dilutes your ability to control your government. We can make the money back. Americans will work hard when they have to and when they don't feel hopeless. But allowing a huge population of foreign newcomers to influence your government to the point of voting themselves in at your expense is not a democratic principle.
I have noticed that many of you safety workers take a different view of this, mainly due to the fact that you are paid to administer it and you must remain impartial. But some of us have to live with it 24/7 because after those people escape the clutches of law enforcement or are released from the hospital, they go somewhere. By the thousands.

[CHPGuy]

Two of my favorite bumper stickers:

"Work harder - millions on welfare depend on you!"


On the back of my car.:cool:

[bcjack]

I don't disagree that there are many PEOPLE that are contributing to our woes.

My point was, a whole bunch of illegals, 14 in one crash and 16 in another crash cost all of us taxpayers a truckload of money when they crashed and got squashed.

My money says they did not have cash to pay their bills and they didn't have insurance to pay their bills, so, as they skip out, WHO gets stuck paying the costs of the Fire, Law Enforcement, Ambulance (Air and ground), Hospitals. Doctors, Nurses, Clerical staff and everyone else involved in cleaning up their mess.:hitwall:

[chico.medic]

Jack, If you keep hitting your head on the wall, who's gonna pay your medical bills? :biggrin:

[bcjack]

Jack, If you keep hitting your head on the wall, who's gonna pay your medical bills? :biggrin:

My employer...It will be a stress disability claim!!!:hitwall:

[Mac]

...I have noticed that many of you safety workers take a different view of this, mainly due to the fact that you are paid to administer it and you must remain impartial. But some of us have to live with it 24/7 because after those people escape the clutches of law enforcement or are released from the hospital, they go somewhere. By the thousands.
...and this is the stereotypical supposition by people who seem to forget that during their days off and the 12 to 16 hours a day that they're not dressed in their uniforms, cops and firefighters go to the same hospitals, drive on the same streets, shop at the same stores, eat at the same restaurants, etc. as every other person in their communities. Many of them grew up in those same communities and lived there for years before they became cops or firefighters. You think they're any less affected by it than John Q. Public? Please. You think they don't see it? Please. Don't act as though cops and firefighters live in a bubble, or have a protective shield around them 24/7. And when they're on duty, they get a much closer and in-depth look at the issue than most citizens ever will, so don't assume that they know nothing about the issue. They have FAR more first-hand knowledge than any citizen will ever get from attending rallies/protests, reading statistics and hanging around on internet boards. Personally, I was born and raised in southern California, not much more than a stone's throw from the border. If you went to any hilltop in the neighborhood I grew up in, you could see the lights of Tijuana...so don't think for one second that I lack intimate familarity with the subject matter at hand.

Speaking strictly for myself, the bottom line is that when I'm speaking/typing in any public forum where I may - willingly or unwillingly - possibly be quoted as a member of my Department or as a law enforcement officer, you can bet your ass that I'm gonna step very freaking carefully. I have no intention of ending up as an unwilling poster child on somebody's extremist website for them to hold up and say "See? Law enforcement agrees with us, read this!".

I'll be completely honest with you, Ayatollah - I've seen your website, and I've often wondered why you're here. You posted select incidents from the CHP CAD page on your site for quite a long period as "examples" to support your cause. I sometimes suspect that you're looking for validation here, or for some ammunition to take back to your website in the form of quotes or whatever, to lend cred and show that the cops are "on your side" - and it seems like you sometimes get frustrated when you dangle the bait here and nobody takes it. Maybe, maybe not. Whatever. Just my own feelings, and they're worth exactly what you paid for them.

[AyatollahGondola]

I'm here to learn Mac,

That's all. Anything anyone posts can be viewed as bait by someone else. The only way I know to learn is to ask questions, read, or listen. And I posted that comment about the safety workers with exactly the statement you made about not ending up getting classified as biased by the media, some interest group, or an employer.
As far as the thread on our website you mentioned:
I assume you mean the hit and run thread? That topic is near and dear to me so that is why it was published. I was educating our members.
My family lives within a few blocks of one of the largest populations of illegal aliens in this county, one of my childhood homes too by the way. I did not learn about this subject from visiting "extremist" websites.
Just for the record, I do not wish to soil the mission, history, or reputation of law enforcement. Rather, I want it protected for my family, my community, and my country.

I sometimes suspect that you're looking for validation here, or for some ammunition to take back to your website in the form of quotes or whatever, to lend cred and show that the cops are "on your side" - and it seems like you sometimes get frustrated when you dangle the bait here and nobody takes it.

If you have been to our website and researched my history then you will notice that is not in evidence. The few things I have posted from here to there are public links that I learned from this forum. No quotes from members; no commentary about your support or rejection; no names; no associations. I save all that for our elected reps and appointees.
I know cops are not on "my side". I actually don't want them to be. I support impartial law enforcement. A biased law enforcement agency would be little more than a double edged sword with a blade and no handle.
Over the past several years I have personally grown a little indifferent to relying on law enforcement in my life. I am an activist and I know I'm viewed as being the cause of trouble when police arrive, so I pretty much don't want to call them. Out of all the times I have engaged in events, alone most of the time, I have only made a call once to local LEO, and that was just for an advisory. I realize that I am going to be assaulted or what have you when I go, so I do not see the point in asking for protection. What I do see the need for is to further learn about how and why Law Enforcement works in that regard, and that is, once again, why I'm here.

[chico.medic]

:lol: My employer...It will be a stress disability claim!!!:hitwall: