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'86 Samurai
10-08-2006, 07:40 PM
Is a front plate required?
jaybb
10-08-2006, 09:47 PM
What if you have out of state plates?
23112
10-08-2006, 11:27 PM
If you are a California resident (i.e., you've been in the state for six months or more or you work here or you pay resident tuition at a public institution of higher education or rent/lease a home as a residence or have a CA driver license), then your foreign vehicle needs to be registered in California. If it's registered in California, then it needs to have a front plate because you'll be issued two plates (unless your car is a motorcycle, of course). :-) I think the only exception is if you're military and your car is registered where you're primarily stationed.
I'd like to hear the salty dawgs share their knowledge of the VC on foreign registration and what they'd cite the guy for who's been working here for two years and driving his Oklahoma Dodge around.
23109
10-09-2006, 05:12 AM
If you are a California resident (i.e., you've been in the state for six months or more or you work here or you pay resident tuition at a public institution of higher education or rent/lease a home as a residence or have a CA driver license), then your foreign vehicle needs to be registered in California. If it's registered in California, then it needs to have a front plate because you'll be issued two plates (unless your car is a motorcycle, of course). :-) I think the only exception is if you're military and your car is registered where you're primarily stationed.
I'd like to hear the salty dawgs share their knowledge of the VC on foreign registration and what they'd cite the guy for who's been working here for two years and driving his Oklahoma Dodge around.
Definately not a salty dog, but 4000.4(a)VC is what I'd cite him for in that situation. This would definately fall under 6700(a) VC.
x MAIT
10-09-2006, 07:21 AM
If you are a California resident (i.e., you've been in the state for six months or more or you work here or you pay resident tuition at a public institution of higher education or rent/lease a home as a residence or have a CA driver license), then your foreign vehicle needs to be registered in California. If it's registered in California, then it needs to have a front plate because you'll be issued two plates (unless your car is a motorcycle, of course). :-) I think the only exception is if you're military and your car is registered where you're primarily stationed.
I'd like to hear the salty dawgs share their knowledge of the VC on foreign registration and what they'd cite the guy for who's been working here for two years and driving his Oklahoma Dodge around.
I would impound the vehicle for fees due.
I would write him for speed, which is what I stopped him for in the first place.
jaybb
10-09-2006, 10:18 AM
I've been a grad student here for two years at USC. Been stopped for my tinted windows about five times from the same officer when I had them on my old car. However, he never cited me for my out of state plates.
jeremyscreek
10-09-2006, 10:35 AM
You can not impound somebody's vehicle for foreign registration if it is current in that state. To impound somebody's vehicle for registration, 22651(o) VC, their registration must be expired in excess of 6 months. Write them a ticket for 4152.5 VC and 4000(a) VC and send them on their way.
mrcorporate
10-09-2006, 11:11 PM
You can not impound somebody's vehicle for foreign registration if it is current in that state. To impound somebody's vehicle for registration, 22651(o) VC, their registration must be expired in excess of 6 months. Write them a ticket for 4152.5 VC and 4000(a) VC and send them on their way.
The other day I saw someone's tags from like 2004..and I was like "how the hell do you get away with stuff like that?". Honestly, that's plain ridiculous. Man if I was the LE I'd be all over that...
PeckerHead
10-10-2006, 04:51 AM
You can impound an out of state registered vehicle if the owner is residing in this state or out of state owner is providing that vehicle to someone in this state. It's not as simple as I just said, but is has been done. Usually the Area's CRFR officer would be the one to do it. I beleive you must show the owner has deliberately re-registered their vehicle out of state when Calif reg fees were due. When that vehicle is "seized" for past fees due, you must notify DMV within a certain time frame, so they can "flag" that vehicle in the system. This allows them to collect back fees up to three years (pretty sure it's three years.) I can't remember the seizure section in the VC, but it's there. Also, I dont think anyone mention you must register your vehicle if your have become employed in CA (twenty days is it?)
For the student who was stopped for tinted windows (Five times? Wasn't the first warning enough? Hope your not in the application process!) If you are in fact an out of state student, paying out of state tuition you can maintain your out of state plates. However, if like a lot of out of state students, you went down and got a Calif driver license, to say you are a Calif resident to save on tuition, you need to register your vehicle immediately in Calif.
Don't get me started on the Motorhomes that are registered in other states!:mad:
The other day I saw someone's tags from like 2004..and I was like "how the hell do you get away with stuff like that?". Honestly, that's plain ridiculous. Man if I was the LE I'd be all over that...
It's just like goin' fishin' - no matter how many times you wet that line, you never catch them all.
23112
10-10-2006, 10:25 AM
You can not impound somebody's vehicle for foreign registration if it is current in that state. To impound somebody's vehicle for registration, 22651(o) VC, their registration must be expired in excess of 6 months. Write them a ticket for 4152.5 VC and 4000(a) VC and send them on their way.
The other day I saw someone's tags from like 2004..and I was like "how the hell do you get away with stuff like that?". Honestly, that's plain ridiculous. Man if I was the LE I'd be all over that...
That vehicle may have just been guilty of failure to display current tabs (5204a), not necessarily expired registration. At least around here, it's common for people's current tabs to be stolen by some knucklehead, leaving their prior tabs on the plate. Then, it seems, those who have gotten their tabs stolen invest in a tinted license plate cover to "protect" their new stickers...until I see them. :smile:
SB 405
10-10-2006, 10:37 AM
Ever try to reposition one of those tags? They seem to fall apart so it must be pretty difficult to peal those off a plate.
jaybb
10-10-2006, 10:40 AM
Actually, in reference to the cited for five times thing. It had to do with the fact my car was leased through BMW in a state where tinted windows were legal, and the tinting was part of the package on the car. I exlpained to the officer that to remove the tint, it would cost me around $1100, as that is what BMW charges to remove it or if they find you did it on your own (it doesn't just affect the car while it's yours, but resale value as well). Not to mention, my lease was up in 2 months, so it honestly was not worth it for me to remove the tinting.
I explained all this to the Officer, he didn't seem to care. I took it to court, with a copy of my lease, registration, and a letter from BMW. The judge kind of looked at the officer, asked how he had time to cite the same person 5 times in a period of 2-months, and threw them all out.
Actually, in reference to the cited for five times thing. It had to do with the fact my car was leased through BMW in a state where tinted windows were legal, and the tinting was part of the package on the car. I exlpained to the officer that to remove the tint, it would cost me around $1100, as that is what BMW charges to remove it or if they find you did it on your own (it doesn't just affect the car while it's yours, but resale value as well). Not to mention, my lease was up in 2 months, so it honestly was not worth it for me to remove the tinting.
I explained all this to the Officer, he didn't seem to care. I took it to court, with a copy of my lease, registration, and a letter from BMW. The judge kind of looked at the officer, asked how he had time to cite the same person 5 times in a period of 2-months, and threw them all out.
How about removing the tint yourself...getting the ticket signed off,,,and then re-applying the tint prior to return? $1100.....BS.
SB 405
10-10-2006, 11:06 AM
While we are on the tint topic....I noticed a GM dealer near my home is selling brand new vehicles and dressing them up with after market wheels and window tint. Wonder if the dealer picks up the cost to remove the tint if the new owner gets cited?
G-Man
10-10-2006, 11:09 AM
1100 bucks? I'll do it for 20... or you do it yourself for free. its easy and takes less than 2 minutes a window. As for the judge throwing out a correctable violation...that is definately a first I've heard of. why you would have gone to court and wasted a day for a 10 dollar processing fee, which you had to pay anyway...i have no idea. but hey it was overtime for the officer.
jaybb
10-10-2006, 12:13 PM
The cost of removing the tint was not the issue, it's the fact if you return the car to BMW and there it is missing tint, they charge you $1100. Theoretically, I could have removed the tint, then tried to find the same variety to reapply less than a month later.
As for the "correctable" violations, the officer made all but one of them non-correctable, causing a mandatory fine. Hence the reason I went to court.
redhead
10-10-2006, 12:50 PM
While we are on the tint topic....I noticed a GM dealer near my home is selling brand new vehicles and dressing them up with after market wheels and window tint. Wonder if the dealer picks up the cost to remove the tint if the new owner gets cited?Something I learned while on a ride along, if an officer sees a shop installing the front tint, they can be ticketed as well. Don't know the VC off the top of my head, but as he was writing someone up, he showed them that code as well so they were informed.
That vehicle may have just been guilty of failure to display current tabs (5204a), not necessarily expired registrationThis happened to me actually with the purchase of a car. I never got the current tags and was pulled over a lot. Each time, I explained the situation, they ran the plate, everything came back clean, and I was on my way. This is how I can say I have been pulled over 12 times but only written twice ;)
To impound somebody's vehicle for registration, 22651(o) VC, their registration must be expired in excess of 6 months
I found this out the hard way. I was driving a customers car back to their house and got stopped. Had everything out to explain that i was just shuttling the car back and his estate manager was going to give me a ride back to my shop, but the SCCSO didn't care. Of course, I had no idea the plates were 2 years out.... Out came the flat bed......humbling getting "your" Ferrari towed in front of a Junior College when you are 25 ;)
SB 405
10-10-2006, 12:56 PM
Question....Do any of you guys think the same officer citing someone 5 times in 2 months is a little on the extreme side even after it was explained the car was going to be turned in shortly? Yeah I know the law is the law....but come on.
SB 405
10-10-2006, 02:33 PM
So redhead you think if someone dropped a dime on the dealership installing tint before selling new vehicles the law would look into it?
redhead
10-10-2006, 02:55 PM
So redhead you think if someone dropped a dime on the dealership installing tint before selling new vehicles the law would look into it?
I will reserve comment to those that can make that decision/write that ticket to comment, but here is the CVC (i think?).
26708.5. (a) No person shall place, install, affix, or apply any
transparent material upon the windshield, or side or rear windows, of
any motor vehicle if the material alters the color or reduces the
light transmittance of the windshield or side or rear windows, except
as provided in subdivision (b) or (c) of Section 26708.
(b) Tinted safety glass may be installed in a vehicle if (1) the
glass complies with motor vehicle safety standards of the United
States Department of Transportation for safety glazing materials, and
(2) the glass is installed in a location permitted by those
standards for the particular type of glass used.
G-Man
10-10-2006, 03:14 PM
So redhead you think if someone dropped a dime on the dealership installing tint before selling new vehicles the law would look into it?
I will reserve comment to those that can make that decision/write that ticket to comment, but here is the CVC (i think?).
26708.5. (a) No person shall place, install, affix, or apply any
transparent material upon the windshield, or side or rear windows, of
any motor vehicle if the material alters the color or reduces the
light transmittance of the windshield or side or rear windows, except
as provided in subdivision (b) or (c) of Section 26708.
(b) Tinted safety glass may be installed in a vehicle if (1) the
glass complies with motor vehicle safety standards of the United
States Department of Transportation for safety glazing materials, and
(2) the glass is installed in a location permitted by those
standards for the particular type of glass used.
yup, thats the one. I have a buddy who worked at a dealership that told me once a car gets a equipment citation the dealer can no longer sell it as new. so if this is the case try to test drive on of those cars and drive by every police officer and police station in town trying to get pulled over and save yourself some money on the car:lol:
SB 405
10-10-2006, 04:46 PM
Hey G-Man....this dealership is only about theree blocks from the CHP Culver City office so maybe I'll go for a test drive and make it a point to stop in front of the office and lay on the horn:lol:
mrcorporate
10-10-2006, 06:49 PM
What about base stickers on the windshield for military bases?
What about base stickers on the windshield for military bases?
Read 26708(b)(3).
mrcorporate
10-10-2006, 07:07 PM
What about base stickers on the windshield for military bases?
Read 26708(b)(3).
Well that's what I read, I was a little confused as to why they have you put the sticker in the window if it was illegal? Can you actually get pulled over for having a base sticker? I'm not being sarcastic, I just don't want a darn ticket! :lol:
redhead
10-10-2006, 07:46 PM
What about base stickers on the windshield for military bases?
Read 26708(b)(3).
Well that's what I read, I was a little confused as to why they have you put the sticker in the window if it was illegal? Can you actually get pulled over for having a base sticker? I'm not being sarcastic, I just don't want a darn ticket! :lol:
26708
(b)This section does not apply to any of the following:
(3)Signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest removed from the driver, signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the rear window farthest removed from the driver, or signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a 5-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield nearest the driver.
From what I remember, that is where Military stickers are located...(sorry, I dont live in San Diego ;) )
:smile:
mrcorporate
10-10-2006, 07:49 PM
From what I remember, that is where Military stickers are located...(sorry, I dont live in San Diego ;) )
:smile:
Neither do I. I live in NorCal...I work at an Army Logistics Facility. Most put it in the left part of the window...the lower part or whatever, however, once in a while you get some idiot to put at the top in the center...jeez...the stupidty.
Most put it in the left part of the window...the lower part or whatever...
(b) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(3)Signs, stickers, or other materials.....which are displayed in a 5-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield nearest the driver.
Base stickers are perfectly legal when displayed as above.
makakona
10-10-2006, 09:10 PM
unfortunately, bases can't seem to agree as to where decals should be placed. we argued with the pass and id office about placement and were told to either put them at the top center or give them back. we have base stickers on both vehicles and at the top center. my husband took his truck to the academy with them and no one ever said anything to him about it... we kind of thought they'd say something if it was much of a problem. we had fun making sure his truck was up to regs because he was leaving for the academy less than a week after his truck arrived in the state and we didn't want him to have any problems while up there.
TahoeTex
10-11-2006, 08:42 AM
Some bases have personnel place their DD Form 2220 (DoD Installation Decal) center top portion of the windshield due to the placement of state registration and/or vehicle inspection stickers. One example is Texas - they require both decals at the lower left portion of the windshield. I believe Penn does it also. For those states who do not have decals on the lower left portion of the windshield, the 2220 is supposed to be placed there but like makakona stated, they can't always agree. Hopefully the DoD gets smart and eliminates it all together since it is a force protection/anti-terrorism issue IMO. I personally refuse to put them on my vehicle, but that's just me.
'86 Samurai
10-11-2006, 02:37 PM
Hmm. This means that Jiffy Lube reminder stickers are illegal placed in the top left of the windshield!
Guess it's time to arrest the board members of jiffy lube. :lol:
SB 405
10-11-2006, 02:52 PM
Stickers???...we dunt need na stinkin' stickers.
Fish'nChip
10-12-2006, 10:56 PM
While we are on the tint topic....I noticed a GM dealer near my home is selling brand new vehicles and dressing them up with after market wheels and window tint. Wonder if the dealer picks up the cost to remove the tint if the new owner gets cited?
FYI -
When the dealer sells the car, they make the purchaser sign a waiver which states the tint is for "show" purposes on the lot only and they not responsible if they drive it off the lot in that condition. They have them sign the front license plate bracket waiver as well. I'm sure Corvette owners just love that!! If you stop someone for no front plate who has purchased a car within the last couple of years......and they say they don't have a place to put it.....remind them of the form they signed which required the dealer to offer one, which they probably declined. :biggrin:
jaybb
10-12-2006, 11:01 PM
Probably a dumb question, but is having out of state plates enough PC to stop somebody? If not, do you ever find that you are more aware of out-of-state drivers, and will stop them more frequently to verify if they should be registering here?
G-Man
10-13-2006, 02:54 PM
When you buy a Corvette the front bracket is in the trunk. No, out of state plates is not PC.
SB 405
10-13-2006, 03:40 PM
Don't Corvettes just have a cover over the recessed area where the plate goes?
G-Man
10-14-2006, 04:07 PM
yeah, but the actual mounting backet is in the trunk (at least that was where we found my neighbors).
Fish'nChip
10-18-2006, 08:28 PM
Question....Do any of you guys think the same officer citing someone 5 times in 2 months is a little on the extreme side even after it was explained the car was going to be turned in shortly? Yeah I know the law is the law....but come on.
NOPE.
Extreme.... is failing to comply with the provisions of the vehicle code and putting that officer in that position 5 times.
RodeoChippie
10-19-2006, 05:42 AM
Question....Do any of you guys think the same officer citing someone 5 times in 2 months is a little on the extreme side even after it was explained the car was going to be turned in shortly? Yeah I know the law is the law....but come on.
NOPE.
Extreme.... is failing to comply with the provisions of the vehicle code and putting that officer in that position 5 times.
I agree with FnC. How does the Officer know for sure the car is going to be turned in shortly? I know this next statement may be shocking to some, so you may want to be seated when you read it. Some people actually lie to law enforcement officers. I know, I know I too was shocked to find this out.
Yep.....everytime you drive the vehicle with an equipment violation it's a distinct, separate violation and can be cited again because you haven't corrected it yet.
People misconstrue the law - when you're given a court date on a citation, it doesn't mean you have a "free pass" to drive the vehicle in that condition until the court date......anymore than receiving a parking citation at an expired meter means that you can repeatedly park at an expired meter because you were already cited once for it. If an officer cites you for no front plate, tinted windows, or whatever else, then sees you driving with them again several days later, you can be cited again....it's a separate violation.
Chippysgt
10-19-2006, 08:15 AM
Too bad we can't do it like they do in the chicken coops. You roll over the scales in an unsafe condition or grossly overweight and you don't leave the facility until the condition is corrected. Amazing how fast some things can be corrected....................:cool:
SB 405
10-19-2006, 08:45 AM
Unless I'm mistaken I thought the lease paperwork was shown to the Officer with the date the vehicle was to be turned in. I can hear you guys right now......"so what"
Unless I'm mistaken I thought the lease paperwork was shown to the Officer with the date the vehicle was to be turned in. I can hear you guys right now......"so what"
I don't think its my job to read a lease agreement. I'm making an assumption that the vehicle has California plates..if so...it should comply with California laws. If I read every piece of paperwork people wave at me I should be a copyright editor.
SB 405
10-19-2006, 10:21 AM
Come on Tom...A guy points to a line on a piece of paper to show you something and you take that as "reading the agreement?"
G-Man
10-19-2006, 10:35 AM
Come on Tom...A guy points to a line on a piece of paper to show you something and you take that as "reading the agreement?"
Alright, with the little time on that I have right now I can safely say if I read every little paper someone tried to hand me on a traffic stop I would never get anything done during the day. It is not our job to read them. they way I see it, if he had a 2 year lease and moved to CA 6 months after he bought the car, Registered it in CA he should obide by CA law. In the above case, he drove around in violation of the law for 18 months. 5 tickets for breaking the law every second you drive in 18 months is pretty good odds. And please tell me that everytime he saw a cop he rolled those windows down because he knew they were illegal here, but drove with them anyway.
Once you become an Officer you can read whatever you want, but until then I leave you with this:
"56-404 respond to 11-79 n/b 405 n/of the 101" "56-404 copies 10-6 on a stop, reading a lease agreement enroute in 20." I don't think so.:biggrin:
jaybb
10-19-2006, 10:51 AM
Actually, I signed a three year lease, and moved to CA 3 months before the car's lease expired.
SB 405
10-19-2006, 11:18 AM
"Once you become an Officer you can read whatever you want"....
...I knew a line like that was just around the corner once I brought this up. At least you were able to tell your story in court jaybb.
"Once you become an Officer you can read whatever you want"....
...I knew a line like that was just around the corner once I brought this up. At least you were able to tell your story in court jaybb.
Frankly I'm surprised at your stance here SB. What part of "against the law" isn't being understood here? Would I have written the ticket? Probably not....but I CERTAINLY would never "monday morning quarterback" the situation. WE weren't there..and specifically we haven't heard what the Officer has to say about this incident. As a matter of fact you are taking the word of some guy thats typing on a computer screen. I've said enough.
SB 405
10-19-2006, 11:41 AM
Point taken and understood Tom. I guess what bothers me about this issue the most is the fact the same Officer writes this guy up multiple times in a pretty short time period.
I understand that and on the surface that sounds pretty Chicken *&^&. But what if this guy, jaybb, was stopped for speed 5 times and the Officer writes him for tinted windows all 5 times...in essence....giving him a break. There are a multitude of possibilities.....I personally have only seen the "personal vendetta" thing once in several years...just for what its worth.
SB 405
10-19-2006, 11:50 AM
And as I'm sure you know workin' the roads guys in Beemers,Vettes and Porsches never lie.:lol: .....forgive me jaybb.
malcolmjmuller2004
01-10-2007, 12:40 PM
My Car Was Parked Next To My House And I Got A Ticket For No Front License Plate. Now My Car Is Not Registered And I Do Not Drive It. Because It Has Out Of Date Tags Should I Have Got The Ticket? Or If I Get A Non-Op Will That Keep Me From Getting A Ticket For My Plate While It Is Parked Next To My House
PapaBear
01-10-2007, 12:54 PM
My Car Was Parked Next To My House And I Got A Ticket For No Front License Plate. Now My Car Is Not Registered And I Do Not Drive It. Because It Has Out Of Date Tags Should I Have Got The Ticket? Or If I Get A Non-Op Will That Keep Me From Getting A Ticket For My Plate While It Is Parked Next To My House
You will find your answer contained within:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd3c1a9.htm
WannaBeaChippie
01-10-2007, 04:24 PM
I found out today that those clear license plate covers are illegal...
cabinetmaker0
01-10-2007, 06:04 PM
just try some photo blocker on your plates and you wont have to worry about those unlawful traffic light ticket's
works a lot better than those covers and you dont have to worry about getting cited for an obstructed license.
http://www.photoblocker.com/www/index.html
Dolmen
01-10-2007, 06:12 PM
.. or you could just try not running a red light.
Speed cameras I hate, but red light cameras? You have to be pretty stupid to get nailed by one of those (and yes, running a red light qualifies as "pretty stupid", so does going so fast you can't stop on a yellow).
CHPUSMC
01-10-2007, 06:24 PM
just try some photo blocker on your plates and you wont have to worry about those unlawful traffic light ticket's
works a lot better than those covers and you dont have to worry about getting cited for an obstructed license.
http://www.photoblocker.com/www/index.html
Ya, so you are saying that it must be legal to run the traffic control signal when there are no law enforcement officials around? I guess that the video sequence with the time since the light turned red, you in the drivers seat with your plate in view is not enough to prove that you were in violation on the law. Like Dolmen stated, don't run the red light in the first place and you don't have to worry about the ticket. If you have to get somewhere in a hurry, leave 15 min earlier.
cabinetmaker0
01-10-2007, 07:12 PM
just try some photo blocker on your plates and you wont have to worry about those unlawful traffic light ticket's
works a lot better than those covers and you dont have to worry about getting cited for an obstructed license.
http://www.photoblocker.com/www/index.html
Ya, so you are saying that it must be legal to run the traffic control signal when there are no law enforcement officials around? I guess that the video sequence with the time since the light turned red, you in the drivers seat with your plate in view is not enough to prove that you were in violation on the law. Like Dolmen stated, don't run the red light in the first place and you don't have to worry about the ticket. If you have to get somewhere in a hurry, leave 15 min earlier.
what I was getting is that these type of citations are wrong , running red lights is stupid I agree,but the whole process of being charged for a moving violation when you have never signed a ticket to appear is unlawful.
23109
01-10-2007, 07:18 PM
just try some photo blocker on your plates and you wont have to worry about those unlawful traffic light ticket's
works a lot better than those covers and you dont have to worry about getting cited for an obstructed license.
http://www.photoblocker.com/www/index.html
Ya, so you are saying that it must be legal to run the traffic control signal when there are no law enforcement officials around? I guess that the video sequence with the time since the light turned red, you in the drivers seat with your plate in view is not enough to prove that you were in violation on the law. Like Dolmen stated, don't run the red light in the first place and you don't have to worry about the ticket. If you have to get somewhere in a hurry, leave 15 min earlier.
what I was getting is that these type of citations are wrong , running red lights is stupid I agree,but the whole process of being charged for a moving violation when you have never signed a ticket to appear is unlawful.
You do realize some states don't even require you to sign a citation, right ?
Dolmen
01-10-2007, 07:28 PM
what I was getting is that these type of citations are wrong , running red lights is stupid I agree,but the whole process of being charged for a moving violation when you have never signed a ticket to appear is unlawful.
I agree with speeding tickets, I hate speed cameras because they have no discretion, you were exceeding the posted limit, you get nailed, it doesnt matter whether you were being unsafe or not (if everyone else is speeding you can bet your ass I'll be speeding too or I'm going to end up as a hood ornament).
When it comes to red lights, it's rather more black and white, there's no way you can proceed through a red light safely, run the light, get a ticket, it's that simple.
It's not like the things are on every intersection either is it?
WannaBeaChippie
01-10-2007, 07:30 PM
Yeah, got a ticket from a parked car when I lived in Washington D.C. for going over the speed limit.:biggrin:shock:ubt: The citation was sent to my apartment, had a picture of my car, me in the car, and the license plate. My DL number was on it and fee I owed...I didn't need to sign it. I HAD to pay!
cabinetmaker0
01-10-2007, 07:52 PM
Yeah, got a ticket from a parked car when I lived in Washington D.C. for going over the speed limit.:biggrin:shock:ubt: The citation was sent to my apartment, had a picture of my car, me in the car, and the license plate. My DL number was on it and fee I owed...I didn't need to sign it. I HAD to pay!
why would you pay for that when its not a lawful citation .the chp learned the hard way when I was pulled over for a cite and after running my dl they busted me and after i posted and all the court trial was over they were all held acountable for there unlawful arrest.
WannaBeaChippie
01-10-2007, 08:23 PM
Yeah, got a ticket from a parked car when I lived in Washington D.C. for going over the speed limit.:biggrin:shock:ubt: The citation was sent to my apartment, had a picture of my car, me in the car, and the license plate. My DL number was on it and fee I owed...I didn't need to sign it. I HAD to pay!
why would you pay for that when its not a lawful citation .the chp learned the hard way when I was pulled over for a cite and after running my dl they busted me and after i posted and all the court trial was over they were all held acountable for there unlawful arrest.Well, I can't speak on your specific occurence I'm sure the judge had a specific reason for dropping you charges, I'm only talking about what happened to me. I paid my ticket because I was speeding. I also got caught doing it...with actual footage. I don't know I guess I'm the type of person that likes to be accountable for my actions. I don't like to develop a reputation for making excuses.
And What is a Unlawful Citation?
Even when you sign a ticket it's not admission of guilt it's saying you'll appear in court to take action. Whether it be fight the alleged charge or post bail. When I recieved my citation in the mail 4 years ago I would have had the option to go to court and dispute the charge under a circumstance where let's say, my friend was driving the car, and the citation was sent to me but there was proof that I wasn't behind the wheel, he'd be responsible for paying the citation for speeding in my car. But of course it would have to be proven...
But if my friend had drugs he got pulled over in MY car..I'd be in alot of trouble, simply because MY car is apart of a crime and of course through the court I would have to prove that I wasn't involved. But then there's tons of factors to go with it like do I have prior record and why did I lend my friend the car and etc.
So BASICALLY, there is no such thing as an unlawful citation a citation means you have been SUSPECTED of commiting a crime. 99.9% of the time...you commited the crime.
Even when a felony is commited and the officer saw you do it he has to read you your Miranda rights, and you have "Right to a fair Trial" whatever the judge comes up with is his decision by the evidence presented. Or you can get a speedy trial...whatever..I'm way off topic. But no citation is unlawful until you are proven guilty...but...maybe I'm wrong. If I am I'm sure I'll be corrected.:biggrin:
CHPUSMC
01-10-2007, 09:02 PM
but the whole process of being charged for a moving violation when you have never signed a ticket to appear is unlawful.
No, it is only wrong if you recieve the citation and you were not the one who was driving. Other then that
Legal Requirements
Prior to initiating a red light camera program, legal aspects and requirements should be identified. Red light camera systems pose legal questions and concerns, the answers to which may vary from State to State. In particular, privacy, citation distribution, and types of penalties need to be thoroughly addressed and resolved prior to the startup of a red light camera program.
Presently, there are two approaches that have been adopted by States in the deployment and operation of red light camera systems:
*Driver Responsibility. Where the government entity alleges that a driver has committed a violation and receives a citation, there should be photographic evidence that allows the driver to be identified. This requires that one or more red light camera(s) is/are located so that a frontal view of the vehicle is recorded as it runs the red light. Further, the recorded view should allow the driver and vehicle identities to be clearly determined. If the recorded view of a driver is obstructed or not clear, no citation should be issued. Additionally, a method should be provided through which the registered owner can certify that he or she was not the driver at the time of the violation.
In States where red light camera systems are applied as described above, red light violations recorded by red light camera systems are considered to be moving violations with citations carrying the same penalties as citations issued by law enforcement officers, including "points" and holds on vehicle registration or driver license renewals for unpaid fines.
* Registered Owner Responsibility. Where the registered owner is responsible for the citation, only photographic evidence that identifies the vehicle, usually from the rear, and its license number is required. Typically, States where red light camera systems have been adopted in this manner have enacted legislation at the State level that authorizes the use of red light camera systems or permits local agencies to enact local ordinances for use of red light camera systems.
The National Committee on Uniform Traffic Laws and Ordinances (NCUTLO) developed the "Automated Traffic Law Enforcement Model Law" (26) to offer clear guidance to States considering automated enforcement technology.
Issues arising from legal challenges to automated photo enforcement are presented in Appendix A.
California falls under the Drver responsibility for this category. That is all I have on this hijacked post..
WannaBeaChippie
01-10-2007, 09:05 PM
Thank You...that's a really good post CHPUSMC..
Chippysgt
01-10-2007, 10:34 PM
Hee Hee, if only I had a dollar for every jailhouse lawyer that thought they knew more about the administration of justice than me. Oh yeah, I forgot about those that were going to have my badge for writing them a ticket they did not deserve or was illegal. I would be able to donate my pension to charity!!!!:lol:
CHPUSMC
01-10-2007, 10:42 PM
Hee Hee, if only I had a dollar for every jailhouse lawyer that thought they knew more about the administration of justice than me. Oh yeah, I forgot about those that were going to have my badge for writing them a ticket they did not deserve or was illegal. I would be able to donate my pension to charity!!!!:lol:
I lied, I have one more thing.
You are telling me that people who do illegal things are capable of having a law enforcement officials badge taken away because they think they know the law? Wow...what is this world comming to...
It's almost like my customers telling me that they are going to have my job when I tell them that they are unable to return their $450 copy of Microsoft Office Pro 2003 that they opened for cash money $$$....
Now I am 10-10 on this thread.
HwyChaser
01-10-2007, 11:03 PM
[/quote]why would you pay for that when its not a lawful citation .the chp learned the hard way when I was pulled over for a cite and after running my dl they busted me and after i posted and all the court trial was over they were all held acountable for there unlawful arrest.[/quote]
Huh?!?!:confused:
WannaBeaChippie
01-11-2007, 07:55 AM
why would you pay for that when its not a lawful citation .the chp learned the hard way when I was pulled over for a cite and after running my dl they busted me and after i posted and all the court trial was over they were all held acountable for there unlawful arrest.
Huh?!?!:confused:
That is what I was wondering, it doesn't make any sense...there just no such thing as an unlawful citation. I'm done here in this thread it's like throwing gasoline on a fire.:evil:
Flying Pig
01-11-2007, 08:50 AM
I think cabinetmakers true colors have shown.....
SB 405
01-11-2007, 09:22 AM
Yeah, got a ticket from a parked car when I lived in Washington D.C. for going over the speed limit.:biggrin:shock:ubt: The citation was sent to my apartment, had a picture of my car, me in the car, and the license plate. My DL number was on it and fee I owed...I didn't need to sign it. I HAD to pay!
why would you pay for that when its not a lawful citation .the chp learned the hard way when I was pulled over for a cite and after running my dl they busted me and after i posted and all the court trial was over they were all held acountable for there unlawful arrest.
Ran your DL and arrested you for what?
Your Mentor
01-11-2007, 03:02 PM
Okay highjackers; the poster received the answer to his question with Mac's first response. Thank you for participating but this thread has run its course.
MikeEMT609
05-03-2007, 08:31 PM
I did a search and found a related thread, but not the answer I'm looking for so I thought I'd ask here-
Front License Plate-
I know from reading the forums here a plate is required on the front of your car. What I'm wondering is this-if you stop a car w/o a front plate and cite the owner is this a correctible violation where you install the plate and go to a CHP station or courthouse and get the car inspected and the violation signed off and pay fine?
What would one expect the fine to be for no front plate?
Thanks in advance for the information
is this a correctible violation where you install the plate and go to a CHP station or courthouse and get the car inspected and the violation signed off and pay fine?
What would one expect the fine to be for no front plate?
Whether the citation is correctable under 40610(b) VC depends on the circumstances. Violations that exhibit persistent neglect are not eligible for correction. In most cases of no front plate, there will be persistent neglect -- that is, the owner is consciously operating the vehicle without the plate displayed. Something eligible for correction would be if the vehicle was recently involved in a collision, the front plate was dislodged, and the owner is actively pursuing repairs. Or possibly a plate present but not securely attached.
Correctable violations range from free upon correction to court costs (in the neighborhood of $10 for most counties). Non-correctable violation fines and assessments are set by the individual court.
sac_law
05-14-2007, 07:58 PM
I use discretion as far as correctable/non correctable for no front plate. If I stop a vehicle and there is a custom front plate (ie. BMW, Cadi, Merz, etc...notorious for the custom chrome front plate with emblem), I consider that to be neglect...they know there should be a front plate and they blatantly attach one more to their liking. Also, I hear the excuse more often these days that it didn't come from the dealer with a bracket for a front plate. Once you take ownership, it's your responsibility...I'd demand the dealer throw in a bracket before you drive off the lot with the car. No front plates are a sort of peeve of mine. People steal front plates to cold plate stolen cars all the time...that is my theory for using 5200(a)V.C. as a main P.C. for stops. Sorry about the tangents.
Every county I've worked in has had a $10.00 fee for correctable 5200(a)V.C. violations.
bcjack
05-14-2007, 08:21 PM
Once upon a time, when I was working a special detail as a Reserve Officer, my partner and I used 5200 CVC (no front placa) as PC to stop the 12500 drivers that were the kings of hit & run. No front placa, no licencia, no carro por 30 dias!!!:badgrin:
Senor, su carro se va con un grua porque no tiene un licencia. Senor....NO LICENCIA....NO CARRO!!!!!!!:badgrin:
redhead
05-18-2007, 07:48 PM
I'd demand the dealer throw in a bracket before you drive off the lot with the car.
As a dealer, and Parts Manager at that......All new cars from the factory coming into the state of California have the brackets with the car when delivered to the dealer.
As a dealer, and Parts Manager at that......All new cars from the factory coming into the state of California have the brackets with the car when delivered to the dealer.
Even Corvettes!
SB 405
05-19-2007, 05:23 AM
Even Corvettes!
I think on Corvettes you just remove the cover and the holes for the plate are under it. I was just looking at one the other day close up while at my local car wash. No bracket necessary that I could see.
82-70 David
05-19-2007, 07:05 AM
On the new Corvette, there are no mounting holes. The bracket is held in place with double sided, extra strength tape. No holes. One would never drill holes in a Corvette.:lol:
Mike:cool:
Semper Fi
I think on Corvettes you just remove the cover and the holes for the plate are under it. I was just looking at one the other day close up while at my local car wash. No bracket necessary that I could see.
TanAndBlue
05-30-2007, 02:30 PM
On the new Corvette, there are no mounting holes. The bracket is held in place with double sided, extra strength tape. No holes. One would never drill holes in a Corvette.:lol:
82-70 david is correct. The C6 corvette is equipped with a front bracket that is held into place with doubble sided tape. The C5 however, is equipped with a plate cover that if removed displays the front liscense plate. At my current place of employment we do not install the front liscense plate brackets on new C6's. The bracket is placed in the rear storage compartment and is installed per customer requests.
SB 405
05-30-2007, 02:41 PM
Double sided tape? Very first class:rolleyes:
TanAndBlue
05-30-2007, 09:11 PM
Double sided tape? Very first class:rolleyes:
I agree! Even on the $75,000 Z06 model double sided tape is used. Oh yea, dont forget about the $30,000 "market adjustment" that is added on top of that.:shock:
rusty57
06-04-2007, 07:22 PM
I need to clarify something regarding the front plate issue. I am from California, was stationed in Oklahoma for a tour, purchased a home there. I had my legal residency changed to Oklahoma for tax reasons. I purchased a vehicle there. Only one plate issued. I am now stationed in California and have had current Oklahoma plates for the last 1 1/2 years. I have a California driver's license. I currently have California insurance as well as the mandatory Oklahoma insurance to renew my tags. I plan on selling my home in Oklahoma and changing my tags to CA ones this year. The issue is that in Oklahoma when you purchase a car, you pay the entire registration tax up front. That ran me about $1600. Not sales tax, but registration tax. In order to register my car in CA, don't you have to pay taxes yearly based on the value of the car, even if you have paid it all before? I do not want to take advantage of the system and will do what the law requires, regardless of cost, but being in the military,$$$ is not very easy to come by. Please advice.
I need to clarify something regarding the front plate issue. I am from California, was stationed in Oklahoma for a tour, purchased a home there. I had my legal residency changed to Oklahoma for tax reasons. I purchased a vehicle there. Only one plate issued. I am now stationed in California and have had current Oklahoma plates for the last 1 1/2 years. I have a California driver's license. I currently have California insurance as well as the mandatory Oklahoma insurance to renew my tags. I plan on selling my home in Oklahoma and changing my tags to CA ones this year. The issue is that in Oklahoma when you purchase a car, you pay the entire registration tax up front. That ran me about $1600. Not sales tax, but registration tax. In order to register my car in CA, don't you have to pay taxes yearly based on the value of the car, even if you have paid it all before? I do not want to take advantage of the system and will do what the law requires, regardless of cost, but being in the military,$$$ is not very easy to come by. Please advice.Yeah, you'll have to pay all the standard California fees... And legally you will eventually have to register in California.
rusty57
06-04-2007, 08:02 PM
Yeah, you'll have to pay all the standard California fees... And legally you will eventually have to register in California.
Noted, I'll take appropriate action.
I need to clarify something regarding the front plate issue. I am from California, was stationed in Oklahoma for a tour, purchased a home there. I had my legal residency changed to Oklahoma for tax reasons. I purchased a vehicle there. Only one plate issued. I am now stationed in California and have had current Oklahoma plates for the last 1 1/2 years. I have a California driver's license. I currently have California insurance as well as the mandatory Oklahoma insurance to renew my tags. I plan on selling my home in Oklahoma and changing my tags to CA ones this year. The issue is that in Oklahoma when you purchase a car, you pay the entire registration tax up front. That ran me about $1600. Not sales tax, but registration tax. In order to register my car in CA, don't you have to pay taxes yearly based on the value of the car, even if you have paid it all before? I do not want to take advantage of the system and will do what the law requires, regardless of cost, but being in the military,$$$ is not very easy to come by. Please advice.
I am active duty, a CA. resident, and live in NYC. I bought my car in NH (no sales tax) and have California registration. The lady at the DMV tried to get me to pay $1500. to issue me plates, because I did not pay any tax when I bought my car. I did not have the money, then the supervisor told me I was exempt from that, and the emissions inspection, because I was active duty. I only had to pay the registration fee. Somthing you may want to check into.
I am active duty, a CA. resident, and live in NYC. I bought my car in NH (no sales tax) and have California registration. The lady at the DMV tried to get me to pay $1500. to issue me plates, because I did not pay any tax when I bought my car. I did not have the money, then the supervisor told me I was exempt from that, and the emissions inspection, because I was active duty. I only had to pay the registration fee. Somthing you may want to check into.
THIS IS TRUE. If you were on active duty when you purchased your car you are exempt from the "one - time" california emissions fee for non-conforming out of state vehicles. My understanding was you still needed to do the emissions checks (They still pass, by the way)
This happened to me....personally after I got out of the military. (which is just a job according to some people on this board - you know who you are)
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