weird check points

[JMuZz87]

There's been times...and its real random too...I'll be driving on I-5, going north to Camp Pendleton from Oceanside, and there will be a checkpoint, with officers stopping each car...right on the freeway at the weigh station. What's this all about? I dont really understand the point of it...cause we dont come to complete stops, we just sort of go real slow and get waived through...are they looking for someone?

[Sportbiker]

probably so. ive never seen that before....has it just been on I5 that you have encountered it??

[JMuZz87]

Yeah its happen like twice...however, I just think its weird...and its totally random too!!! The first time it was like 5 in the morning, the second time it was like 12 noon. I'm confused, I dont know what they're looking for.

[Mac]

Look closely.....that's the Border Patrol checkpoint. Those guys are all in green.

[CHPwannaBE]

WOW Jmuzz87, it would probably help to read the big signs with flashing words saying U.S. Officers ahead be prepared to stop. That is the San Onofre inspection station. Yes it is inconvenient for people like you and me but it is rarely open and when it is open they have cought some pretty big loads there and one time I know they caught an Al Qaeda terrorist where the U.S. Marshals came in and took him off. Don't be surprised if you slow down or are stopped they are just doing their jobs. The Temecula station is also on the freeway but they rarely have their traffic inspection running.

[SB 405]

I was coming home from San Diego one weekend with my wife and we were about 1/4 mile from the check point slowing down and we watched as this old rusted out Ford came flying down the shoulder S/B in the N/B side of the freeway with about eight people packed inside. Funny part was as the car came past us I could see someone inside the car hitting the driver over the head with what looked like a rolled up magizine.....funny as hell:lol:

[not5150]

Wait.. you live in Oceanside and don't know about this checkpoint?

[Observer]

Wait.. you live in Oceanside and don't know about this checkpoint?

I am in shock my-self...I lived in Carlsbad for over 2+ years, and every weekend they had the Border Patrol running checks. I guess the big 40' sign that reads "BORDER PATROL" wasn't a dead give away.

[JMuZz87]

Wait.. you live in Oceanside and don't know about this checkpoint?

I am in shock my-self...I lived in Carlsbad for over 2+ years, and every weekend they had the Border Patrol running checks. I guess the big 40' sign that reads "BORDER PATROL" wasn't a dead give away.


Actually the sign reads "US Officers Ahead". They are wearing blue not green...they have actually Police cars parked at the weigh station and by their road checkpoint...I haven't been able to be in a lane that is close enough to the cars to read the department, however, its just a little strange..

On another note about border patrol though, Border Patrol does a checkpoint sometimes when you come OFF base. There has been times I am driving home from work, in uniform and I stop at their checkpoints and they ask me for proof of citizenship...so...when I take a second, while pulling on my marine corps uniform, looking down at my name and my "us marines" name tapes, wondering "shouldn't this be proof", they just say its no big deal, no one can be trusted...that was a surprise...you also see them around camp pendleton more so than you do MP's...I'm wondering if Illegal aliens have infested the rigorious hills of camp pendleton...

[CHP Explorer SGT]

WOW................OKAY...
The check point is US Border Patrol they are the officers in Green that stop all the traffic on the freeway NOT CHP...
However, there are the Scales offices on the the sides of the freeways for big rigs and other trucks.

They wear the blue uniform because they are scales officers. They dont stand out on the freeway.

[Mac]

Actually the sign reads "US Officers Ahead". They are wearing blue not green...they have actually Police cars parked at the weigh station and by their road checkpoint...I haven't been able to be in a lane that is close enough to the cars to read the department, however, its just a little strange..
The U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint and the CHP San Onofre Inspection Facility are essentially in the same lot. SOIF is at the south end of the lot, and the USBP building is at the north end. The CHP officers who work in the scale facility wear blue uniforms and drive black and white CHP vehicles. The U.S. Border Patrol agents who work at the checkpoint wear green uniforms and drive white cars with green markings. Their functions are entirely different, and you'll never see CHP officers standing on line at the checkpoint.....nor will you ever see USBP agents doing commercial inspections at the scale facility. The Border Patrol is a federal agency (hence the sign saying "U.S. Officers Ahead"), the CHP is a state agency.

[JMuZz87]

WOW................OKAY...
The check point is US Border Patrol they are the officers in Green that stop all the traffic on the freeway NOT CHP...


I know they are not CHP...I never said they were.


Thanks Mac...you're answer was a lot more helpful then the other I got! :biggrin:

[makakona]

since everything else has been addressed and because the misnomer annoys me, i'll just add that being in the military is NOT proof of citizenship.

illegal immigrants have always been a problem in that area... there's a reason there's a checkpoint there! i know they're no longer replacing the signs and i haven't paid attention on recent trips, but i'm sure there are still a few left... there's a reason for those big, yellow signs with the fleeing family!

[Flying Pig]

I was at Pendelton in 93.....we had to stop a range once because there was a bunch of illegals humpin across the hill side just as we were getting ready to light off with the Mk19's. That wudda been ugly.

[JMuZz87]

since everything else has been addressed and because the misnomer annoys me, i'll just add that being in the military is NOT proof of citizenship.

Are you or have you ever been in the military? Um...yeah it is proof of citizenship...do you know how many proof of citizenship documents you have to fill out, and how long you have to be a citizen before they'll even let you enlist? So...yes...according to the United States, because I wear this uniform and protect its prospects, I AM an AMERICAN Citizen!

[JMuZz87]

...and I would also like to add, that I do not look like I immagrated over from Mexico...point proven.

[JMuZz87]

the misnomer annoys me.

from dictionary.com

mis?no?mer /m?s'no?m?r/ ?noun
1. a misapplied or inappropriate name or designation.

I am a missapplied or an innappropriate name or designation?:confused:: :rolleyes:

[makakona]

1. i wasn't aware that you needed to be current or prior active duty military to know the public information that is military regs. but i am the daughter of a marine, wife of a sailor, and first generation american thankyouverymuch.

2. you are correct that i misused the word "misnomer," however the reference was never to you, but rather the idea you proposed that all military members are american citizens. i'd have been far more impressed if, instead of googling a word you didn't know, you googled whether or not the military requires u.s. citizenship to serve. i'm extremely disappointed that an active duty marine has his head in the sand enough to not only argue policies he's not aware of, but that he's ignored news reports since the war started that address posthumous citizenship for his fellow fallen heroes.

3. i wasn't aware people only ever illegally immigrated from mexico. who knew?! i'm the offspring of blond-haired, blue-eyed immigrants. my husband's the first one in his generation in his family who married a born american and you'd never know it by looking at my in-laws. the brazilian, the african, and even a few of the mexicans look as "white american" as i do.

4. anyone want to give me a primer on emigrate/immigrate. i can never keep it straight...

[Flying Pig]

Actually.....you do not have to be an American Citizen to serve in the Armed forces. Only to be an officer. I have a good friend that was an Irish citizen, and actually went back to Ireland after his enlistment was over. Im sure you have heard of the many non-citizens who were killed in Iraq who were posthumasly awarded their citizenship.

But what is more important, is you dont have to be an American citizen to buy ID or a uniform. More than illegal Mexicans cross the border into the United States. Here in Central Ca...guess whhat we have? The Russian Mafia. I have contacted and assisted in the deportation of a few illegal Russians who crossed the Mexican border when I worked in Riverside. I would be highly disappointed if the mere wearing of a set of cammies caused a Border Patrol Officer to wave you through. How many American Citizens assist in the smuggling of illegals? Many.

[Flying Pig]

Wife of a sailor???? Ouch........Oh well.....to late to cry over it now! :lol:

Now.....you do have to be here as a legal resident.....perhaps thats what he meant to say. But a legal resident is far different than being a citizen......so I am curious now......how many years as a citizen does it take to be able to enlist?

[makakona]

oh, flying pig... you may need to give me more info so my husband can make sure he eventually transfers wherever the russians are. he speaks russian and is a self-proclaimed "child of the cold war," which i guess is supposed to be justification for an unnatural obsession with russia? weirdo.

well, wife of a former 8.5 year active duty sailor turned chp officer and naval reservist. i wouldn't have changed his branch or rating, though. he was kept safe and because he was a nuke, the pay was fair. (i'm stil bitter that he got out before gathering up the $68k and $136k reenlistment bonuses he would have been awarded within two years.) plus we spent three years on a most-expenses-paid vacation in hawai'i (where he served with dozens and dozens of non-american citizens), complete with killer work hours and more vacation and comp time than one person needed. it was a pretty cushy deal on shore duty.

does daughter of a jarhead make up for anything?

[Tom]

Actually.....you do not have to be an American Citizen to serve in the Armed forces. Only to be an officer. I have a good friend that was an Irish citizen, and actually went back to Ireland after his enlistment was over. Im sure you have heard of the many non-citizens who were killed in Iraq who were posthumasly awarded their citizenship.

But what is more important, is you dont have to be an American citizen to buy ID or a uniform. More than illegal Mexicans cross the border into the United States. Here in Central Ca...guess whhat we have? The Russian Mafia. I have contacted and assisted in the deportation of a few illegal Russians who crossed the Mexican border when I worked in Riverside. I would be highly disappointed if the mere wearing of a set of cammies caused a Border Patrol Officer to wave you through. How many American Citizens assist in the smuggling of illegals? Many.

An example of that are Fillipino residents who are guaranteed citizenship upon completion of their military service. Happens all the time..... and to make matters worse I am the husband of a former marine, she is the wife of a former squid.

[makakona]

it's okay, tom. you can pacify yourself with the knowledge that she was at least smart enough to marry up. ;)

[Mac]

Are you or have you ever been in the military? Um...yeah it is proof of citizenship...do you know how many proof of citizenship documents you have to fill out, and how long you have to be a citizen before they'll even let you enlist?...

A quick Google search turned this up at http://www.usmc-mccs.org/LeadersGuide/Personal/Legal/citizenship.htm (page titled Leader's Guide for Managing Marines in Distress):

There are about 7000 active duty Marines that are not U.S. citizens. Citizenship is required for Marines to vote, obtain security clearances, and to obtain certain restricted MOS designations. In 2003, Federal law was changed to make it easier, faster and cheaper for active duty Marines to apply for and obtain citizenship. Complete application assistance is available at your local legal assistance office, which has all of the forms, staff and experience necessary to help guide your Marines through the process. On average, the application process takes 6 months from filing time, to application of the oath. Certain citizenship services that were previously restricted to the territorial United States, such as interviewing and application of the citizenship oath, are now available overseas. See your local legal assistance office for more information.

Here's another link to an article straight from the official USMC website about a Marine earning his U.S. citizenship while serving in Iraq:
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/ad983156332a819185256cb600677af3/9e996ab3e7b179a6852571ec004b2beb?OpenDocument

Here's a link straight from www.usmc.mil to JAL (Judge Advocate Legal Advisory) #16 outlining the process for Marines to apply for expedited citizenship: http://192.156.19.104/JAL_mess.nsf/c26d42f246f2c23d85256cb000675dd8/c4eb6f61f9a94c6785256e92003ef309?OpenDocument


...and I would also like to add, that I do not look like I immagrated over from Mexico...point proven.
Ever watch any Mexican television? There are blond-haired, blue-eyed Mexicans, red-headed ones, light-skinned ones, etc. Not every illegal Mexican immigrant looks like your stereotypical picture of one.

Short story - while working in Oceanside some years back, I stopped for a pedestrian walking northbound on the right shoulder north of Las Pulgas Road. This guy looked just like Ralph Malph from "Happy Days" - red hair, green eyes, pale skin, freckles, the whole bit. I walked up and told him it was illegal to walk on the freeway, and he responded with "Oficial, no hablo ingles". I laughed and thought "My ass!", but responded "Pues, esta bien....yo hablo espanol", figuring that he'd give up the charade once he discovered that I spoke Spanish. Turns out that he was an illegal immigrant from the state of Guerrero....never woulda known it from looking at him.

[Mac]

...But what is more important, is you dont have to be an American citizen to buy ID or a uniform. More than illegal Mexicans cross the border into the United States. Here in Central Ca...guess whhat we have? The Russian Mafia. I have contacted and assisted in the deportation of a few illegal Russians who crossed the Mexican border when I worked in Riverside. I would be highly disappointed if the mere wearing of a set of cammies caused a Border Patrol Officer to wave you through. How many American Citizens assist in the smuggling of illegals? Many....
Funny you should mention the above - the Border Patrol had a little problem with that a few years back. Seems that the illegals figured out that a lot of Marines traveled through the checkpoint on their way to work at the north end of Camp Pendleton. They started driving right up to the checkpoint wearing BDU blouses and "high and tight" haircuts. The BP has no idea how many got through before they got wise to it.

Things are not always as they appear.

[Tom]

Mac wrote:

Ever watch any Mexican television? There are blond-haired, blue-eyed Mexicans, red-headed ones, light-skinned ones, etc.


Yea!!!! Doesn't everybody? Great...shows!

[Mac]

Yea!!!! Doesn't everybody? Great...shows!
LOL!!! :lol:

Yeah, I watch it for the......uhhhhhhhhh, ENTERTAINMENT, that's it!!!! :razz:

[Tom]

it's okay, tom. you can pacify yourself with the knowledge that she was at least smart enough to marry up. ;)

I tell her that all the time....then she hits me:cry:

[SB 405]

Yea!!!! Doesn't everybody? Great...shows!
LOL!!! :lol:

Yeah, I watch it for the......uhhhhhhhhh, ENTERTAINMENT, that's it!!!! :razz:

And don't ya just hate it when all they show are women running around in those skimpy little outfits?

[retchp]

Makakona:
One immigrates TO somewhere...thus is an immigrant.
One emigrates from somewhere...thus one emigrates FROM ones own country to somewhere else.

Hope that clears it up for you. By the way, what is a makakona?

[redhead]

Short story - while working in Oceanside some years back, I stopped for a pedestrian walking northbound on the right shoulder north of Las Pulgas Road. This guy looked just like Ralph Malph from "Happy Days" - red hair, green eyes, pale skin, freckles, the whole bit. I walked up and told him it was illegal to walk on the freeway, and he responded with "Oficial, no hablo ingles". I laughed and thought "My ass!", but responded "Pues, esta bien....yo hablo espanol", figuring that he'd give up the charade once he discovered that I spoke Spanish. Turns out that he was an illegal immigrant from the state of Guerrero....never woulda known it from looking at him.
Mac,

Gracias por dejarme ir. Pero no me compare por favor siempre a Ralpie otra vez.

Gracias



;)

ps-Bablefish doesnt translate this properly........ooopppsss

[makakona]

i guess what confuses me is a statement along the lines of "my family emigrated from antarctica to scandinavia." i can't seem to separate it in my head without adding "and immigrated to" to preface the country they moved to. i'm probably making NO sense. i'm still kicking myself over "misnomer." that's elementary reader's digest word power stuff there!

makakona is a combination of my childrens' hawaiian names given to them by our hanai (adoptive) family there and by one of the kupuna (elders) who was my kumu 'olelo hawai'i (hawaiian language professor). my oldest's name is makanani, meaning "beautiful eyes." my youngest is named kekona, "second born." more than you wanted to know. :smile:

[makakona]

we grew up with a set of ralph malph (sp?) brothers. their middle brother, joaquin, "looked mexican," whatever that means. carlos and rodrigo were redheads with freckles, though. WAIT! i think carlos is chp now! if i recall correctly, he was out of el cajon. carlos enriquez... anyone know him?

[JMuZz87]

Funny you should mention the above - the Border Patrol had a little problem with that a few years back. Seems that the illegals figured out that a lot of Marines traveled through the checkpoint on their way to work at the north end of Camp Pendleton. They started driving right up to the checkpoint wearing BDU blouses and "high and tight" haircuts. The BP has no idea how many got through before they got wise to it.

Things are not always as they appear.

MCO P1020.34F

MARINE CORPS UNIFORM REGULATIONS

Chapter 2000
2007. CAMOUFLAGE UTILITY UNIFORM (See figs. 2-33 through 2-35.)
1. The camouflage utility uniform is not authorized for wear except when in the field, for field-type exercises, or for those work conditions where it is not practical to wear the service uniform.

2. The utility uniform is a working uniform. Wear of the utility uniform is authorized while commuting to and from work to include all travel aboard DOD-owned/controlled aircraft. The utility uniform may also be worn for brief and appropriate stops off-base during duty hours or while commuting. In addition to emergency/maintenance stops, Marines are allowed to make brief, essential stops off-base during duty hours and while commuting to and from their place of duty, such as:

a. when dropping off/picking up children from daycare centers or school;

b. obtaining gas or other essential driving aids (wiper blades, snow chains, fluids, lights, etc.);

c. picking up/dropping off drycleaning;

d. off-base financial institutions; to include automatic teller machines; (ALMAR 107/96)

e. picking up vehicles at repair shops or gas stations;

f. at drive-thru windows where exiting the vehicle is not required; and,

g. at a convenience store or drug store solely for the purchase of emergency childcare or health products (milk, diapers, medicine, etc.).

3. Marines are prohibited from wearing the utility uniform as a liberty uniform off-base or during inappropriate circumstances such as:

a. at restaurants, pizza parlors, bars, lounges, etc.;

b. when dealing with public officials (police, courthouse, attorneys);

c. while attending classes or activities, or conducting business at education facilities;

d. at commercial airports/bus stations for travel or entering pick/drop off passengers;

e. at retail/rental stores, shopping malls, and shops for shopping or paying bills;

f. at grocery stores/supermarkets'

g. at movie theaters, mini-golf, or other similar entertainment/
recreational or sporting activities.


How...and why would a Marine wear cammies to mexico, and then wear them back through? This MCO is very strongly enforced and infact, you can get NJP (Non-Judicial Punishment) for violating this order. This order was instituted through the commandant of the marine corps.

[Tom]

When I was in the military (crickets chirping) it would be a rare sight that agencies actually SHARED information. I have a feeling that the same thing is happening today. Do you really think that the Border Patrol has any idea of Marine Corps regulations?.......................I say................No.

[makakona]

jmuzz, i highly recommend some reading comprehension classes. reread what you quoted from mac and then reread your response. there's no correlation.

and even if there WAS a correlation, last i checked, the bp wasn't required to be knowledgable of all military regs.

[Mac]

...reread what you quoted from mac and then reread your response. there's no correlation.
Correct. I thought we were still talking about the USBP checkpoint on I-5 in the Camp Pendleton area. At least, that's what I was referring to.

[JMuZz87]

jmuzz, i highly recommend some reading comprehension classes. reread what you quoted from mac and then reread your response. there's no correlation.

and even if there WAS a correlation, last i checked, the bp wasn't required to be knowledgable of all military regs.

That wasn't my point. My point is...No Marine in his right mind, would wear cammies through the mexican border, and be stupid enough to wear them back. Point being, all it takes is a Gunny to see them and they're done. Yeah the border patrol probably doesn't know the marine corps order. Who cares. First off, NCO and above are the ones only authorized to even go into mexico. The Navy is also down there a long with BP, and are infamous for arresting Marines trying to go to Mexico.

Point being, I find it hard to believe that Immigrants would go through the trouble of buying cammies (which can only be purchased from Marine Corps vendors), which exist, online yes, but would not ship to mexico...Besides that, even if they made it past BP, they still have to make it past the Navy MP's sitting right there. Who would love to arrest a marine in cammies, which isn't proper libery atire...So...that..Makakona is my POINT.


When I was in the military (crickets chirping) it would be a rare sight that agencies actually SHARED information. I have a feeling that the same thing is happening today. Do you really think that the Border Patrol has any idea of Marine Corps regulations?.......................I say................No.

It doesn't matter that the BP doesn't know Marine Corps Regulations. It really doesn't. There is OPSEC, which is Operation Security, which all Government and Military are given repeatative classes on, which is the prevention of terrorism. Trust me...no one in the military is going to go for a joy ride, or whatever they do down there, in cammies, and then come out. Since 9/11, the increase of OPSEC involved in our military and our BP is drastically increased, part of that would be reporting suspicious behaviors, such as that.


bottom line...no one is stupid enough to wear cammies to mexico and back. So I highly doubt that that has ever happen, nor will ever happen.

Marines get arrested for going to Mexico anyways. What makes you think that they are going to let impersonators go through. And so there's not further argument, because this thread has gone past its orgin, the BP would not arrest marines... there are Military Police there....they arrest them.

[Mac]

*sigh* Somebody else wanna explain it? .................................................. .......

[Mac]

Mac,

Gracias por dejarme ir. Pero no me compare por favor siempre a Ralpie otra vez.

Gracias



;)
De nada, chico....no soy la "pinche migra", soy el patrullero de caminos. :lol: !Pero obtenga su mica muy pronto! Es la pura verdad que pareces mucho como el hombre Rafael Malph

[chico.medic]

De nada, chico....no soy la "pinche migra", soy el patrullero de caminos. :lol: !Pero obtenga su mica muy pronto! Es la pura verdad que pareces mucho como el hombre Rafael Malph

What the heck did you say about me!!? :razz:

[makakona]

okay, seriously funny thread. i kept rereading, thinking, "am *i* missing something, here?"

jmuzz, i was serious about the reading comprehension class. hopefully maturation will kick into gear once you hit your 20s and maybe some college level english classes could tie you over until then so far as venues like this are concerned. but if marriage and fatherhood hasn't cured you of your arrogance, even at your age, i'm not sure what else will.

i dated a marine several years back. he was a thrift guy (good quality to have!) and refused to buy his uniforms new because he found practically new (and in a few cases BRAND new) ones at thrift stores and even the dry cleaners. it doesn't take a security clearance to find a uniform.

and no, mac, i don't care to explain it. i think half a dozen tries are good before dubbing someone a lost cause. might be better suited for someone with more patience (says the mother of two toddlers).

[Flying Pig]

So I guess Mac was lying about the incident with illegals wearing the uniform.....Bad Mac....Bad

I cannot believe you posted the military regs to try and prove your point.......

I dont think the illegals know its against regs to wear their cammies off base. You cited the regs like they get a copy in their illegal alien border crossing packet. We werent talking about Marines wearing their uniforms to Mexico and then wearing them back. Were not even talking about real Marines. We were talking about illegals believing that if they wore a uniform, they wouldnt be bothered. There have been incidents throughout military history where people were given a pass soley by wearing a uniform. Ever hear of Otto Scorzeni?
Im sure youve been down to the surplus stores in Oceanslime. I could walk out of there looking like the Commandant. Your missing the point entirely anyway. Cammies/digitals can be bought by civilians and also in surplus stores. There is no "trouble" in buying cammies as you stated. I see the farm workers in Fresno wearing them all the time. They are very easy to get. They sell them in Ensanada....I know that. I was there last year. The vendor may not ship out of the country...but I sure can after I order them.

Dont try to end the conversation by telling us "theres no further argument". It doesnt work like that. The majority of this thread has been people correcting your mis-statements of fact, your complete out of context understanding of what others have written and your misunderstanding of even what the reqirements are to join the American military. And above all... basically calling an officer a liar. Welcome to police work bud. Your responsible for everything you say.

So again Ill ask.....how many years do you have to be an American Citizen before you can enlist? And when your done with that.....research Otto Scorzeni. And explain to us why people wearing uniforms to gain access has not and will not happen as you expertly stated.

[SB 405]

I don't believe you need to be an American citizen to enlist. Or is that your point FP? I think a lot of people become citizens while they serve.

[Flying Pig]

Affirm....my point. Appareantly...as we have learned,...JMuz was under the impression that you have to have been a citizen for "several years" before you can enlist.

[JMuZz87]

I don't believe you need to be an American citizen to enlist. Or is that your point FP? I think a lot of people become citizens while they serve.

Article from a newspaper recruiters get at Recruiting schools all over the world.
Supplied by Sgt. J.A. Starjak USMC

While there is a statutory requirement that only a United States Citizen may become a commissioned officer, this is not true for enlistment. Certain non-citizens can enlist in the United States Armed Forces. To be eligible to enlist, a non-citizen must:

(1) Entered the United States on a permanent residence visa or has an Alien Registration Receipt Card (INS Form 1-551/I-551 greencard or stamped I-94), and

(2) Established a bona fide residence, and

(3) Established a home of record in the United States.

The visa and/or "greencard" must have sufficient time remaining on it (expiration date) to be valid during the entire term on enlistment. While non-citizens may enlist in the U.S. Military, they are not allowed to reenlist (stay in beyond their first term of service), unless they first become U.S.

Citizens. However, there are accelerated citizenship procedures for non-citizens on active duty. For details, see our article, U.S. Citizenship in the Military.

I get lots of email from non-U.S. citizens, who do not live in the U.S., asking how they can join the U.S. Military. Quite simply, you can't. In order to join any branch of the United States Military, one must either be a U.S. Citizen, or one must be a legal immigrant, currently living in the United States, with a "green card" which essentially is a U.S. Citizen. The United States Military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. In order to join the U.S. Military, one must legally immigrate first, and then apply to join the military, once they are living in the U.S.

[Flying Pig]

"Are you or have you ever been in the military? Um...yeah it is proof of citizenship...do you know how many proof of citizenship documents you have to fill out, and how long you have to be a citizen before they'll even let you enlist? So...yes...according to the United States, because I wear this uniform and protect its prospects, I AM an AMERICAN Citizen!"

A little different than your previous post.

[JMuZz87]

A little different than your previous post.

Read it again...

I get lots of email from non-U.S. citizens, who do not live in the U.S., asking how they can join the U.S. Military. Quite simply, you can't. In order to join any branch of the United States Military, one must either be a U.S. Citizen, or one must be a legal immigrant, currently living in the United States, with a "green card" which essentially is a U.S. Citizen. The United States Military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. In order to join the U.S. Military, one must legally immigrate first, and then apply to join the military, once they are living in the U.S.

[JMuZz87]

A little different than your previous post.

Read it again...

I get lots of email from non-U.S. citizens, who do not live in the U.S., asking how they can join the U.S. Military. Quite simply, you can't. In order to join any branch of the United States Military, one must either be a U.S. Citizen, or one must be a legal immigrant, currently living in the United States, with a "green card" which essentially is a U.S. Citizen. The United States Military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. In order to join the U.S. Military, one must legally immigrate first, and then apply to join the military, once they are living in the U.S.

[Tom]

crickets chirping..................................moderato r lock this thread............

[Mac]

...moderator lock this thread....
Nah - not just yet. :badgrin:

Stick to the points, don't flame or get personal, and it's all good.

[Tom]

OK, then....

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/filipinos.htm

a little old but still good info...

[JMuZz87]

Look, I'm not trying to offend anyone. I'm just trying to have fun on this forum, get the information I need, engage in a few good conversation. I didn't see this thread blowing up like that, and it would make it a lot easier for me, and everyone else who like to argue to forget about this and move on...I was just trying to proove a point, and that point keeps changing because the arguement keeps changing...

[SB 405]

Wait...I know green cards expire so how can that "essentially" make a person a citizen.?

[JMuZz87]

OK, then....

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/filipinos.htm

a little old but still good info...

That actually is very cool. The reason we have that act, is because in the 40's when we were using the Phillipines as a staging ground for most of the pacific theatre, and infact, we were planning on making the Phillipines a United States in the 40's and 50's, but it is now, just a province. The Phillipines are very cool, I've been on two deployments there, they love America...they practically are American!

[Tom]

OK, then....

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/filipinos.htm

a little old but still good info...

That actually is very cool. The reason we have that act, is because in the 40's when we were using the Phillipines as a staging ground for most of the pacific theatre, and infact, we were planning on making the Phillipines a United States in the 40's and 50's, but it is now, just a province. The Phillipines are very cool, I've been on two deployments there, they love America...they practically are American!

Sort of...at the risk of sounding like a smartass - The war in the Pacific, as far as US involvement, began December 7, 1941. There was a large Army force still on the Phillipines (General MacArthur) but were forced to retreat to Battan and Corregidor on December 8, 1941 the day Dai Nippon invaded the Phillipines. The US government gave up on the men isolated on Bataan and Corregidor (Bataan Death March) MacArthur himself escaped Corregidor to Australia in March of 1942. In October of 1944 the Americans landed on Leyte basically at MacArthurs urging because the US Government thought that the Phillipines were not worth saving. The US continued to Peliliu, Iwo Jima, Saipan/Guam and Okinawa prior to the war ending in September 1945. The history of American involvement in the Phillipines is a bloody and storied tale.

By the way the Marines fought brilliantly in ALL of those battles listed..

Indeed the Phillipinos loved the US and especially MacArthur but as a base of operation..that is untrue. It was a base prior and after the war. I, myself, was in the Philipines many times. And as a grandson of a World War II submarine veteran (Pacific Theater) I am an avid World War II book reader. Consider this thread Hi-jacked!!!

[Flying Pig]

I see your angle....you post incorrect information and get called on it.....then you go back, look up the correct information, post it, and then its..... "see thats what I said." Call an officer a liar, I ask you to explain that. Nothing. I ask you to explain how, in your words, the wearing of a uniform has never or will never be done...nothing. From what Ive seen, there havnt been any arguments, only people correcting bad info.

On a different note though....being a former Marine myself.....what is your MOS?

[JMuZz87]

On a different note though....being a former Marine myself.....what is your MOS?

I'm an 0341, Infantry-Mortarman

The arguement is over...you're point has been duely noted...


Indeed the Phillipinos loved the US and especially MacArthur but as a base of operation..that is untrue. It was a base prior and after the war. I, myself, was in the Philipines many times. And as a grandson of a World War II submarine veteran (Pacific Theater) I am an avid World War II book reader. Consider this thread Hi-jacked!!!

Haha! Good times! My grandfather was in the Phillipines most of the war, its really cool to see all the pictres my grandmother has of him over there, mingling with the people, on ship, just being bored...lol

I actually didn't know a lot of what you told me Tom, it's nice to finally learn something.

[Tom]

If you are interested I just finished two GREAT books on the subject, both written by William Manchester, American Caesar and Goodbye, Darkness. Both chilling, bloody but ultimately patriotic accounts of the battles in the Pacific Theater. The first focuses primarily on General MacArthur. Good stuff.

[Flying Pig]

0331....Im sure weve cursed the same hills

[JMuZz87]

0331....Im sure weve cursed the same hills

Who were you with?

[Flying Pig]

Did MCT and SOI at Pendelton..then went to Security Force CO Yorktown Va, then finally landed with Wpns Co 1/6 Heavy Guns Plt.

[JMuZz87]

Hmmm...I'm with 2/1 Echo Co. Wpns Plt, 60 mm section...

Been on 3 deployments

2 full combat ones and the other one was supposed to be just going to the pacific rim, but, we ended up in iraq anyways...

But as far as SOI goes, yeah we deffinatly have cursed the same hills.

[dw]

I have a headache. Thread locked.