View Full Version : props to a police officer in court.
Notaviolator
06-15-2006, 09:48 AM
just found this forum so bear with me, i was in court last week in oakland for a speeding ticket and i was waiting for my turn to be called. there was a chp police officer on the stand and was giving his speech, then the lady violator had a turn,she just tore into him and ripped him into pieces, she acused him of shouting at her, pointiing his finger at her in the face,and trying to scare her to sign the ticket and she went on and on and on saying the officer should be suspended and needs therapy for anger control and on and on, it was pretty shameful for the police officer but all the time the officer just sat there unphased and just kept his eye on the judge.,i would have got up and choked her, those must be lies she made up to get away from the fine. but in the end, the judge said "I FIND YOU GUILTY", the officer was hispanic and the lady was white and seemd highly educated, but it didnt matter.
as for my ticket, the nice officer had better things to do that day and i was set free with no fine. so my question is, how do you guys defend yourself when someone comes up with all those acusations???? they were ridiculuosly false, she wanted the offcier badge revoked, can they ,the judge,do that? GOD BLESS YOU ALL< KEEP S SAFE.
Flying Pig
06-15-2006, 10:23 AM
It happens all the time actually...maybe not to that extent thankfully. No, the judge is not going to take the officers badge right there in court. If the lady had an issue, she could file a complaint with the Dept, the the department would investigate it.
SB 405
06-15-2006, 10:32 AM
I've got a feeling people talk to Officers like that everyday out on the road. I work with the public everyday in my job and learned long ago some people just enjoy making a scene.....water off a ducks back for me.
x MAIT
06-15-2006, 10:43 AM
I will never forget the time I issued a person a citation for speeding. The driver's parting words after I instructed him on how to safely get back onto the freeway were; "I hope you die today."
FDandH
06-15-2006, 11:08 AM
Is it just me or does it seem that nobody wants to be accountable for their own actions. i.e. "Everyone else (fill in the blank)", or "You should be catching (fill in blank with misc. felony violations). I believe this behavior has a direct correlation with taking prayer out of public schools.
makakona
06-15-2006, 11:23 AM
xmait! oh, goodness!!! what a horrible thing for someone to say! :sad:
my husband has had nothing but positive interactions thus far. the only exception, which isn't even that bad, was his first arrest... my husband is caucasian and was with an african-american officer. the person he arrested was also african-american and was upset because he felt if the other officer had approached him first, he wouldn't have been arrested. sure, buddy... on parole, three warrants out for you that toal almost $80,000.00, you've been busted for grand theft auto and are doing 95 on the freway in someone else's 745li. :rolleyes: moron.
of course there's no sense of personal responsibility these days, though i attribute it to more than prayer in schools. even last night, my husband was told by the local leader of our church, "oh, so you're one of those guys who gave me a ticket for speeding, illegal tint, and no front plate in my 'vette." um, no, YOU are the one who EARNED that ticket.
redhead
06-15-2006, 11:27 AM
In the same breath I have seen on ride alongs, an Officer get Thanked for reminding the violator they need to slow down, etc.
Have seen it happen on 3 of the 5 ride alongs I have been on. That one always boggles my mind more so then the "expected" angry response.
...so my question is, how do you guys defend yourself when someone comes up with all those acusations????
No need to defend yourself if you were doing nothing wrong. Just sit back and let the person show what a horse's ass they are and make a total fool of themself. All they're doing is showing their true colors.
....she wanted the offcier badge revoked, can they ,the judge,do that?
Not a chance.
x_MAIT - I've had similar things said to me. I just nod and say "thank you, sir/ma'am" and walk away. Any other response to a comment like that is unnecessary.
makakona
06-15-2006, 01:24 PM
interestingly enough, my husband has always been adamant that he could never work in any sort of "customer service" role. it is the epitome of "customer service" to respond with a "thank you" and walking away when someone says something so horribly hateful. i can't believe people say such things...
SB 405
06-15-2006, 02:41 PM
I've heard alot over the years at my job but never had anyone wish death on me.
bcjack
06-15-2006, 04:48 PM
What is the Department's position on the phrase "You have a nice day" or similar parting comment to an a******? I got my a** chewed out for saying that after a fine upstanding member of our community (read a*******) said $%%%&*###$%$$##$%^&&** after I cited her for 72 in a 25 zone.:badgrin:
Capsicum
06-15-2006, 05:32 PM
What is the Department's position on the phrase "You have a nice day" or similar parting comment to an a******?
I was told that was frowned upon, sort of a little jab at the end of an already unpleasant experience for the motorist. I usually just give them a "Drive Safe" at the end.
Tiredmotor
06-15-2006, 06:52 PM
I agree. I've ALWAYS said, "Have a safe day."
NorCalN00b
06-15-2006, 06:59 PM
...so my question is, how do you guys defend yourself when someone comes up with all those acusations????
No need to defend yourself if you were doing nothing wrong. Just sit back and let the person show what a horse's ass they are and make a total fool of themself. All they're doing is showing their true colors.
....she wanted the offcier badge revoked, can they ,the judge,do that?
Not a chance.
x_MAIT - I've had similar things said to me. I just nod and say "thank you, sir/ma'am" and walk away. Any other response to a comment like that is unnecessary.
"I hope you die today"
Isn't that considered threatening an officer? Isn't that like a jailable offense?
uoplax13
06-15-2006, 07:05 PM
I don't know the law about making threats, but I would think there'd need to be more of a direct threat.....not that "I hope you die today" isn't a pretty awful thing to say....."I hope you die" is different than "I am going to run you over with my car and kill you".
Tiredmotor
06-15-2006, 07:38 PM
Technically..the law states that the "threats" to an Officer must be credible/believable and the Officer actually must feel threatened. Most of these "threats" in court just make us laugh/giggle. I've had doctors say "I hope you are not in my operating room" and other various " threats." Whatever....part of the job.
cal911gal
06-15-2006, 09:28 PM
I will never forget the time I issued a person a citation for speeding. The driver's parting words after I instructed him on how to safely get back onto the freeway were; "I hope you die today."
Now that's gutsy, to say that directly to an officer....Idiots.
Unfortunately, I heard a whole lot of that the day Officer Earl Scott was killed. Can't tell you all how many calls we got (of course, anonymously) that said something similar. You don't respond, you just hang up. And fight the urge to throw up.
As Happy Bunny says, "Mean people suck."
I had a drunk tell me he was going to find my family and kill them when he gets out of jail. That was just before he ran out of his jail cell at me and met my size 14 boot right square in his chest. He didn't have much to say after that.
HwyChaser
06-16-2006, 04:01 PM
I had a drunk tell me he was going to find my family and kill them when he gets out of jail. That was just before he ran out of his jail cell at me and met my size 14 boot right square in his chest. He didn't have much to say after that.
Ive had the same threats. I Just added 422 PC to my charges.:biggrin:
Cameron
06-16-2006, 07:45 PM
Just thought I'd post this for all applicants (like myself) who don't know penal code very well. :smile:
69. Every person who attempts, by means of any threat or violence,
to deter or prevent an executive officer from performing any duty
imposed upon such officer by law, or who knowingly resists, by the
use of force or violence, such officer, in the performance of his
duty, is punishable by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars
($10,000), or by imprisonment in the state prison, or in a county
jail not exceeding one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
422. Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison.
For the purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any
spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related
by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other
person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the
prior six months, regularly resided in the household.
"Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to,
telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax
machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning
as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of
the United States Code.
Ive had the same threats. I Just added 422 PC to my charges.:biggrin:
You betcha...422 PC and 69 PC both apply, and both are felonies. Do the crime, do the time.......
Flying Pig
06-17-2006, 05:10 PM
PC422 doesnt apply to on duty law enforcement officers. Hence...they created PC69.
Flying Pig
06-18-2006, 12:10 AM
I've heard alot over the years at my job but never had anyone wish death on me.
Whats even better is when they actually try to kill you!
KingFrankSam
06-18-2006, 05:57 AM
PC422 doesnt apply to on duty law enforcement officers. Hence...they created PC69.
I don't believe that you are correct. 422 PC does apply to threats to officers. 422 PC and 69 PC are two different crimes. A 422 PC threat is a threat of death or great bodily injury that causes a person to be in fear. The threat must be unconditional and there need to be no other purpose for the threat other than to cause fear. A 69 PC threat must be made specifically in an attempt to deter or prevent an officer from the performance of their duties.
Example, 69 PC threat:
You tell a dirtbag to turn around and put his hands behind his head and he says, "If you try to put those cuffs on me, I'm gonna kick your ass."
Example, 422 PC threat:
The dirtbag is cuffed in the back of the car and on the way to county. He tells you, "When I get out, I'm gonna hunt you and your family down and kill you all."
PC422 doesnt apply to on duty law enforcement officers....
Maybe not in your neck of the woods - I've filed it and had it prosecuted several times.
Flying Pig
06-18-2006, 04:11 PM
Must be based on county......when i filed it...I was told go with 69 only. Oh well.
Must be based on county......when i filed it...I was told go with 69 only. Oh well.
Prolly varies according to the individual DA's.....some are more liberal than others.
chippette
07-11-2006, 12:42 AM
I was on a ride-along once and we had some guy that we just stopped and were going to give a warning to start screaming at the officer I was with as soon as he got to the vehicle. The funny thing was the first thing that came of of the guys mouth was do you believe in giving warnings then the guy just went in and on about there being more cops in his county than citizens and he also gave the speech about why are you picking on me when you could be out looking for drunks and other misc. things. I had to hand it to the officer I rode with he kept his cool and went about writing the guy up. I have to say before the guy left the officer said you have a nice night.
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