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NorCalN00b
06-11-2006, 12:14 PM
Watchdog report: Bidding for CHP pistols faulted
Gunmaker claims procurement process favored rival firm.
By Andrew McIntosh -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:01 am PDT Sunday, June 11, 2006
The California Highway Patrol restricted bids on a $5.3 million gun contract to a single Smith & Wesson pistol, even though a rival manufacturer offered almost identical weapons for $2.2 million less.

SigArms Inc. alleged in April 10 letters to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and CHP Commissioner Mike Brown that the state's decision to favor Smith & Wesson was improper and contrary to state contract regulations, which require competitive bidding for big government purchases.

"Historically, when governments or companies have not used the competitive bidding process, waste and corruption have often been the result," SigArms general counsel Eric Cook wrote.

The CHP confirms it restricted bids to a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol, but it denies that it breached state rules.

In a letter to SigArms, Commissioner Brown said the decision favoring Smith & Wesson was made to save taxpayers' money and prevent CHP officers from being hurt while learning to use new pistols. His letter was obtained by The Bee under the state Public Records Act.

Last month, Smith & Wesson announced the CHP had ordered 9,736 semiautomatic pistols, known as the 4006TSW. The guns will replace 7,718 older Smith & Wesson 4006 pistols that the CHP bought in the 1990s, ensuring a large stock for new recruits.

The contract was signed after what state officials described as a round of competitive bidding overseen by the Department of General Services.

Yet there was nothing competitive about the bidding, according to memos and bid documents obtained under the state Public Records Act.

A rush to quickly fill the holsters of new recruits may have been the reason why the CHP wanted Smith & Wesson.

Assistant CHP Commissioner Kevin Green said his agency was running out of older 4006 duty pistols. The Highway Patrol had fewer than 200 in stock, with more recruits ready to graduate from the academy, Green said.

CHP administrators said they believed they didn't have time to run a formal evaluation process involving several competing guns.

"If we had done a study, it would have taken several months to complete," Green said.

The Department of General Services issued invitations to bid for the CHP gun deal in late March.

General Services invited potential suppliers to deliver 9,736 new pistols over three years, but included a condition: All bids must offer only the Smith & Wesson 4006TSW semiautomatic pistol.

When SigArms, a seller of rival semiautomatic pistols based in Exeter, N.J., learned of the brand and model restrictions, it denounced the process as a sham.

In his letters to Brown and Schwarzenegger, SigArms' Cook said his firm sells two pistols that meet all CHP specifications, except those involving the Smith & Wesson brand and model.

Cook urged Schwarzenegger and Brown to drop the restrictions and hold an open competition.

SigArm pistols are used by the Nevada Highway Patrol, the U.S. Secret Service, federal air marshals and 17 major state police agencies. Police agencies in Sacramento city and county use SigArms Sauer pistols.

Rita Hamilton, a General Services deputy director, answered Cook's letter on April 26 -- after the bid deadline expired. She said the brand and model restrictions did not breach state regulations.

"The CHP has determined that this weapon has unique performance factors that warrant limiting this purchase," wrote Hamilton, without elaborating.

Despite picking a sole brand, Hamilton said General Services had established that its gun purchase could be made using competitive bidding.

DGS identified four companies "capable of bidding" to supply Smith & Wesson 4006TSW pistols, in addition to manufacturer Smith & Wesson itself, she said.

The General Services' rules for the gun contract required that all bidders be factory-authorized distributors or the manufacturer.

Smith & Wesson, based in Springfield, Mass., almost never directly bids for state deals to avoid angering its distributors, said the company's marketing director, Paul Pluff. Smith & Wesson's Web site lists just one distributor for law enforcement weapons in California -- All State Police Equipment of Pomona. All State was the only bidder to meet CHP terms.

The remaining three firms on the state's list of "capable bidders" could not and did not bid.

The first was Pro Force Law Enforcement in Orange County. President Bryan Tucker said he's a dealer, not a distributor, and cannot bid on deals involving more than 25 guns in California.

The second, Adamson Police Products of Hayward, was not a factory-authorized distributor in April. The third was American Shooters Supply of Las Vegas. It is a Smith & Wesson distributor, but only for Nevada.

SigArms submitted a $3.1 million bid offering its semiautomatic pistols despite the CHP restrictions, but it was disqualified.

All State general manager Anthony Taylor denied his firm was guaranteed to win the CHP contract.

"There's other people who could have bid on this," Taylor said. When pressed, he could not name them.

Department of General Services spokesman Bill Branch said the state is not required to do an "an exhaustive pre-bid investigation" to identify which companies meet requirements. "That would be putting the cart before the horse," he said.

Paul F. Dauer, a Sacramento attorney who specializes in government procurement cases, said state law prohibits bureaucrats from drafting restrictive requirements to limit contract competitions.

The SigArms offer quoted guns at $599 each, while Smith & Wesson's quoted $683 each.

SigArms also offered a $349 per gun trade-in for the old CHP Smith & Wesson 4006 pistols -- a total credit of $2.7 million. Smith & Wesson offered a trade-in credit of $170 per gun.

In an April 6 letter responding to SigArms' offer to sell the CHP guns, Commissioner Brown said that his agency had 15 years of training invested in the Smith & Wesson 4006 pistol and that the CHP was unwilling to change its weapon, even though the newer 4006TSW is not identical.

"The dependability and performance of the currently issued pistol has been proven in the field, allows for the use of existing training magazines and magazine pouches, and does not require additional training for personnel," Brown wrote. "Converting to a different weapons system will require a learning curve that could jeopardize officer safety."

Brown's letter suggested it would also be "very costly" to switch weapons, but didn't estimate the extra costs.

Branch said General Services officials never asked for details or challenged the CHP's cost claims.

Assistant CHP Commissioner Green said he made "a business decision" favoring the S&W 4006TSW.

Green said training employees on a different pistol would cost $780,000, requiring more than 7 million rounds of ammunition or 1,000 rounds per officer.

He said it would cost an additional $200,000 to buy holster pouches for magazines, which hold cartridges for extra bullets.

CHP weapons inspection officers would need training to disassemble and inspect the new guns, Green said.

Steve Griffin, a director of the California Highway Patrolmen's Association, a labor group that represents nonmanagement CHP officers, disagreed that a different gun would risk safety and boost costs.

"My concern is that members get the best weapon. Different semiautomatics are familiar enough so that safety really wouldn't be an issue if you switch," he said. "As for concerns about retraining, I'm unfamiliar with that line of thinking."

The new Smith & Wesson pistols don't fit the old holsters, so more money will be spent buying new holsters, boosting costs, Griffin said.

CHP spokeswoman Fran Clader confirmed the new holsters have been ordered for an extra $380,518.59.

John Martin, a gunsmith instructor at Lassen Community College in Susanville, said he understands why the CHP wants to stay with a familiar weapon. "It's a very functional, proven firearm," Martin said. "But I would give the Sig a little higher marks on the reliability front."

In Nevada, neither cost nor safety concerns deterred officials from considering six pistols when shopping for guns for the Nevada Highway Patrol in 2005.

California and Nevada decided to replace their existing Smith & Wesson 4006s because of age-related problems and malfunctions. Green and Griffin said CHP gun barrels had some hairline fractures.

The Nevada selection process for a new pistol stands in sharp contrast to the CHP's approach.

Nevada issued a formal request for proposals and invited a half-dozen manufacturers to pitch their products, said Kimberly Evans, a Nevada Department of Public Safety spokeswoman.

An NHP committee tested and evaluated the pistols. In late 2005, the NHP picked and bought 455 SigArms Sigauer 229 pistols. Officers retrained on the new gun using between 300 and 400 rounds of ammunition, Evans said.

"Our evaluation was thorough and complete," Evans said. "You can't be arbitrary about important decisions."

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* The Bee's Andrew McIntosh can be reached at (916) 321-1215 or amcintosh@sacbee.com.
What do you Chippes think of this?

*Off-Topic* It says the Nevada Highway Patrol brought "455" SIG P229 pistols. Don't tell me there's only 455 NHP officers...

Slim
06-11-2006, 02:40 PM
Another example of why the people at the top need to speak with people who do the work of the Highway Patrol. They never ask an opinion about ANYTHING. We can't wear tasers on our legs because it's too "paramilitary" and could scare people. God forbid that someone thinks the Highway Patrol isn't going to take any crap from anyone ans we might be intimidating. No BDU's for the people on the road??? I would be happier with a Sig Saur weapon. The S&W is a gigantic paper weight. They will never listen. Who think the CHP is going to get sued? Would they be forced to do a real competetive bid?

Cameron
06-11-2006, 03:59 PM
I'm sorry this article was written, because it casts the CHP in a bad light... at the same time, I'm somewhat glad this subject has been exposed.

Cameron
06-11-2006, 04:03 PM
[quote]



Assistant CHP Commissioner Green said he made "a business decision" favoring the S&W 4006TSW.



Should this have been a business decision, or should this decision have been based more on the input of Officers?

RC5150
06-11-2006, 04:09 PM
I hope we do get sued and that we go with the Sig. I have a Smith and Weason of my own but the 4006 is a lesser quality weapon than the Sig and the Officer safety line is crap.

Officer_Grady
06-11-2006, 05:36 PM
it's like the dept wants a 2007 Crown Victoria when BMW is offering us a 550i at $1000 less per car. Unfortunately, the grunts never make the decisions, the only decisions we make are to make it home at the end of the day, and sometimes that goes sideways.

Bosco
06-11-2006, 06:27 PM
What do you Chippes think of this?

That is just pathetic. The part I really like is where they tried to justify it with the upcoming academy classes and only having 200 4006's left. At least we planned ahead...:rolleyes: I wonder if they told the media that we are going to be retrained anyway with the "new" 4006 guns for 2 days (at least that is the word we got). Is officer safety going to be compromised then too?

TheForceCHP
06-11-2006, 06:41 PM
I am not an officer, but I have shot the Sig before and it is a great gun. I would love to see them get issued.

yo buddy
06-11-2006, 09:59 PM
I'm more concerned with the numbers in the article....... $380 thousand on holsters.... assuming that 10,000 holsters are bought for 9 thousand guns, thats $38 per holster. What kind of quality do you think that will be?

Kevin
06-11-2006, 10:06 PM
I'm confused... why do you guys need guns? :badgrin:

Joking aside, I would take the Sig anyday over the S&W!

Mac
06-12-2006, 08:10 AM
Brown wrote. "Converting to a different weapons system will require a learning curve that could jeopardize officer safety."

That's the quote that concerns me the most. I won't comment on the whole bid process itself, but does anybody REALLY believe that a Sig is that much different than a S&W?

Slim
06-12-2006, 09:39 AM
It seems like they over analize their decisions until they choose a path that makes sense only to them.

$38 for a holster. That sounds about right. The state "buckets" as we call it are gigantic pieces of crap. Buy a triple threat. Even unsnapped guns don't fall out during foot chases.

G-Man
06-12-2006, 09:11 PM
I'm more concerned with the numbers in the article....... $380 thousand on holsters.... assuming that 10,000 holsters are bought for 9 thousand guns, thats $38 per holster. What kind of quality do you think that will be?

the one that one of the rangemasters at the academy had was this synthetic leather and plastic deal, it looked like it cost about 20 or 30 bucks.

NorCalN00b
06-13-2006, 09:20 AM
Another small read regarding the pistol contract thing:

The Shooting Wire <info@theoutdoorwire.com>
The Shooting Wire for Monday, June 12

Firearms Fight

Exeter, N.H's SigArms, Inc., is claiming California Highway Patrol (CHP) broke the law when it recently awarded a contract for more than 9,000 pistols to Springfield, Massachusetts-based Smith & Wesson.

In a letter to California governor Arnold Schwarzenneger and CHP Commissioner Mike Brown, attorneys for SigArms allege the decision to favor Smith & Wesson was improper and violated California contract regulations which require competitive bids for government purchases.

In his letter, Sig general counsel Eric Cook says "historically, when governments or companies have not used the competitive bidding process, waste and corruption are the result."

California Highway Patrol confirms it did, indeed, restrict the bids to a .40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol, but denies it breached any state rules with that stipulation.

In a reply to SigArms obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the Sacramento Bee newspaper, Commissioner Brown writes the decision was made to save taxpayers' money and prevent CHP officers from being hurt while learning to use new pistols.

Last month, Smith & Wesson announced the CHP contract for 9,736 of their 4006TSW pistols in replacement of 7,718 older Smith & Wesson 4006 pistols purchased in the 1990s.

The California Department of General Services oversaw the process under which the contract was let, but information obtained by Sacramento Bee reporter Andrew McIntosh would seem to indicate the bid wasn't really competitive.

CHP officials say there's a simple explanation. CHP was down to fewer than 200 duty pistols in stock and lacked adequate inventory to fill the need of recruits ready to graduate from the CHP academy.

CHP administrators maintain they've done nothing wrong, and simply lacked time to do a formal evaluation process involving several competing guns, saying that process could take "months". So, California General Services invited potential suppliers to provide 9,736 guns over three years- but stipulated that supplied pistols be Smith & Wesson 4006TSW semiautomatics.

That, says SigArms general counsel Eric Cook, created a process that was a "sham." CHP and California General Services disagree. A deputy director of General Services says the brand and model restrictions did not breach state regulations, citing "unique performance factors" that warranted limiting the purchase.

Smith & Wesson did not bid the contract. According to marketing director Paul Pluff, the company seldom bids for state deals in order to avoid angering its distributors.

Although CHP says four companies could have bid the contract, only All State Police Equipment of Pomona, California bid. The three remaining firms each say they failed to meet the stipulation that all bidders either be "factory-authorized distributors or the manufacturer". One was a dealer; limited to sales of 25 or fewer units, another was not a factor-authorized distributor when the bid was let in April, and the third was a Smith & Wesson authorized- distributor only for Nevada.

Despite the CHP restrictions, SigArms submitted its own bid for the business. It was rejected.

There was also a significant price difference between the SigArms pistols and the Smith & Wesson units purchased by CHP. Sig offered Model 229 pistols at a quoted price of $599 each, allowing a $349 per gun trade-in for the older Smith & Wessons. The Smith and Wesson bid prices 4006TSWs at $683 each and allows a trade-in credit of $170 per old 4006 unit, a difference of more than two million dollars.

CHP Director Mike Brown says his agency has 15 years of training invested in the S&W Model 4006 pistol and the change to the 4006TSW, although it is not "exactly the same" pistol, would significantly shorten training times necessary for the SIGs.

Further, said Brown, current magazines and magazine pouches could be used. New holsters will be needed, adding more than $380,000 to the overall cost of the contract.

SigArms points to California neighbor Nevada as an example of a responsible selection process. Both California and Nevada decided to replace their S&W 4006s because of age-related problems at approximately the same time. Nevada, however, issued a formal request for proposals from a half-dozen manufacturers before choosing SigSauer P229 pistols for their officers.

That, SigARms contends, was the way the California process should have been conducted.

As the story continues, we'll keep you posted.

?2006 The Shooting Wire. All Rights Reserved.

NorCalN00b
06-14-2006, 09:57 AM
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Kevin
06-14-2006, 10:31 AM
I'm more concerned with the numbers in the article....... $380 thousand on holsters.... assuming that 10,000 holsters are bought for 9 thousand guns, thats $38 per holster. What kind of quality do you think that will be?

the one that one of the rangemasters at the academy had was this synthetic leather and plastic deal, it looked like it cost about 20 or 30 bucks.

Better practice your weapon retention frequently. :smile:

10-7
06-14-2006, 10:37 AM
I'm more concerned with the numbers in the article....... $380 thousand on holsters.... assuming that 10,000 holsters are bought for 9 thousand guns, thats $38 per holster. What kind of quality do you think that will be?

the one that one of the rangemasters at the academy had was this synthetic leather and plastic deal, it looked like it cost about 20 or 30 bucks.

Better practice your weapon retention frequently. :smile:

I'd be happier if they'd just give me the $38 and I'd put it to buying my own 3 threat holster.

5-0
06-14-2006, 05:55 PM
just another proof that the dept does NOT realy CARE!!! green will never have to use his 40, god knows where his 40 is now??? i just wanna know who get the 2 million KICKBACK??? how aBOUT BASING YOUR DECISION ON THE SAFETY OF MY OFFICERS!!!

5-0
06-14-2006, 06:55 PM
green and brown will NEVER use their 40, and so will all the other top brass, they do not CARE. business decision huh! how about making a decision based on anything other than BUSINESS $$$, i say check their bank accounts and see who is getting the (BUSINESS) KICKBACK!
erase it if you will but the truth hurts!

PeckerHead
06-21-2006, 08:21 PM
Read the letters to the editor Sac Bee, Saturday June 17, 2006. Ouch!